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#1 2008-09-14 22:20:33

jdhore
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Alternate Web Browser?

Simply put: I'm getting sick of Firefox. It uses so much of my RAM and the interface is lacking to say the least. So perhaps you all can help me a bit...Here's what i'm looking for:

1. AdBlocker extension that can auto-update (i'm too lazy to do a cronjob and crap)
2. Tabbed browsing (duh)
3. It can use either Gecko or Webkit as the backend...I'd prefer webkit, but i know adblockers for webkit-based browsers are lacking.
4. Can't be Opera. I've tried Opera 9.50 and i'm VERY unimpressed.
5. GTK2 would be preferable, but i can handle Qt4 or Qt3 if necessary.

Thanks!

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#2 2008-09-15 00:32:37

pyther
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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

ephinay / konqueror?


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#3 2008-09-15 00:40:32

jdhore
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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

pyther wrote:

ephinay / konqueror?

I've tried Konqueror and it doesn't fit #1 as far as i could tell on either KDE3 or KDE 4.1 and it's sketchy on #5.

As for epiphany...It's close to perfect, i'm just waiting for the GRegex location bar in epiphany 2.24.

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#4 2008-09-15 00:54:40

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

I don't know what browser would fit that bill. Maybe Google Chrome, when it gets ported to Linux. About the security issues, I wouldn't really worry, since Google have pledged to size the 18 month data retention down to 9 months.

Chrome would probably do all that, but if you're good with not getting all that, try hv3. It uses neither WebKit or Gecko, but an in-house engine that is highly impressive. It's all written in TCL including the engine itself and uses TK for the GUI, but the statically linked binary checks in at.... 3.2MB.

It doesn't look the awesomest and such because it's tcl/tk, and one person reported that it used 47MB for a single tab, so I'm not sure about memory usage. It's great if you want something like elinks but with CSS and JavaScript support big_smile

To install:

/Users/dav7/ + wget http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3-linux-nightly-08_0203.gz
--2008-09-15 10:50:04--  http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3-linux-nightly-08_0203.gz
Resolving tkhtml.tcl.tk... 67.18.92.124
Connecting to tkhtml.tcl.tk|67.18.92.124|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 2667727 (2.5M) [text/plain]
Saving to: `hv3-linux-nightly-08_0203.gz'

100%[=======================================>] 2,667,727    719K/s   in 3.6s   

2008-09-15 10:50:09 (719 KB/s) - `hv3-linux-nightly-08_0203.gz' saved [2667727/2667727]

/Users/dav7/ + gunzip hv3-linux-nightly-08_0203.gz
/Users/dav7/ + ls hv3*
-rw-r--r-- 1 dav7 3.2M 2008-02-04 02:08 hv3-linux-nightly-08_0203
/Users/dav7/ + chmod +x hv3-linux-nightly-08_0203
/Users/dav7/ + ./hv3-linux-nightly-08_0203
initializing bookmark database..
*window appears*

-dav7

Last edited by dav7 (2008-09-15 00:55:58)


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#5 2008-09-15 01:38:34

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

For browsers that don't explicitly support adblocking, you could use something like privoxy (although it only updates itself for new versions). Midori looks promising but is not yet very full-featured.

Although I'm curious, what about Firefox's interface is lacking? It seems to me to be very, very far ahead of every other browser in that department, with the possible exception of Safari. I dislike Firefox as well, but that is one criticism that I just cannot make.

Unfortunately I'm hooked on Firefox's Vimperator extension, otherwise I would be looking to switch browsers too.

Last edited by fflarex (2008-09-15 01:41:04)

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#6 2008-09-15 01:49:26

jdhore
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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

Holy Super Monkey Ball...I just manually compiled epiphany 2.24 on my ArchLinux system...The "Wheeeeee!!!" bar aka the awesomebar aka the GRegex bar makes Firefox's awesomebar look slow and it renders pages so much faster and cleaner than Firefox...WANT...I'm not going to run it as my main browser till at least GNOME 2.24 stable though...Can't truly judge crashiness (or lack thereof) otherwise.

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#7 2008-09-15 14:35:37

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

#1 Is a little unreasonable really. Understandable, but considering that filterset.g hasn't updated since March, it's not like you're missing out on regular updates all the time!

Honestly it seems like Epiphany or Midori would be your best bet. Though webkit's still a little immature in GTK which hurts both for now.

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#8 2008-09-15 15:04:59

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

google chrome!

at least when it comes out for linux =P. guess we'll just have to settle with wine for now


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#9 2008-09-15 19:49:34

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

neowolf wrote:

#1 Is a little unreasonable really. Understandable, but considering that filterset.g hasn't updated since March, it's not like you're missing out on regular updates all the time!

Honestly it seems like Epiphany or Midori would be your best bet. Though webkit's still a little immature in GTK which hurts both for now.

It may fit the criteria... but i don't think that Midori is ready for regular use at this point. From my experience, it has been really slow and many websites, such at KeePass or phpBB3 forums, do not function. Also I think that it's author could use some help. wink

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#10 2008-09-16 00:04:17

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

What was wrong with Opera, out of curiosity?

I found that it does adblock decently. (Not as well as Firefox, but better than everything else) You just need to google search "opera adblock" and you'll find how to block a butt-load of ads before even opening the browser. It also seems to be faster than Firefox at loading pages for me.

Plus, you can get a Qt4 version.

The only criterion it doesn't meet is #4.

Last edited by pogeymanz (2008-09-16 00:04:42)

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#11 2008-09-16 01:39:43

jdhore
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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

pogeymanz wrote:

What was wrong with Opera, out of curiosity?

I found that it does adblock decently. (Not as well as Firefox, but better than everything else) You just need to google search "opera adblock" and you'll find how to block a butt-load of ads before even opening the browser. It also seems to be faster than Firefox at loading pages for me.

Plus, you can get a Qt4 version.

The only criterion it doesn't meet is #4.

It loses on #1...Adblock can't autoupdate, and i don't want to make a script and cronjob and i REALLY don't want to have to find a list, and go edit my adblock.ini every week...no...just...no...

It also sort of loses on #5...It's not GTK2, the only Qt4 builds are with a static Qt4 so it looks like ass (and i can't use QGtkStyle) and i know it supports shared Qt3, but it fails too hard on GTK2 and Qt4 for me to care.

As for #4...I just dislike the UI, i dislike the featureset...There's almost nothing about Opera that i like.

Last edited by jdhore (2008-09-16 01:51:45)

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#12 2008-09-23 07:32:27

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

just try arora, it's a really good, light, webkit based browser, even if it's still in testing period wink

http://code.google.com/p/arora/

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#13 2008-09-24 19:34:45

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

Well I'm very glad with Opera I don't know why you didn't like it.

I tried google chrome in windows and it sux. I just launched it for 5 minutes and inmediatley I unistalled it. First because www.archlinux.org was not rendered well. Second my wheel just worked going down in a page but it was unable to going up a page. Third zoom is horrible, it just made bigger size for a page and not a real zoom like firefox or opera. Forth I love how opera saves a web page in a single file with mht extension, and not an html with a folder with css and js.

Really I didn't see any good improvement with Chrome versus Firefox or Opera. I prefer both them but I use kde and opera looks better.


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#14 2008-09-24 20:11:53

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

there are some nice gtk2 browsers but none of them satisfied me. so i switched back to firefox.
try privoxy for adblocking and privacy stuff (imho much better than adblock)
greasemonkey addon + pacman -S mplayer-plugin + scripts from userscripts.org to embed mplayer into the website to play flash videos :>

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#15 2008-09-24 20:14:24

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

Just to mention it: A fltk2-based Release of Dillo is on the way. It won't do what the thread starter wants ('web 2.0' won't be well supported), but I'm very excited about it.

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#16 2008-09-24 20:23:39

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

If you can't find one you like on this page, it doesn't exist. big_smile


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#17 2008-09-24 22:14:55

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

Some of the reason why i use epiphany now are the little things.
I open a link in a new tab and it inherits the historyof the tab it was opened from, so i can still go back. Images too big for the screen start off maximised.
A couple of gripes about it - I'd like a normal search bar and a titlebar with (pagename) - Epiphany, but the little things just make me smile at how clever it is

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#18 2008-09-25 04:43:50

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

I just "found" midori--it's ok.
I use arora sometimes, also ok.
Same with kazehakase.
Konqueror is "the best of the rest."

I still use firefox the most, except for w3m.  I use w3m as my pager and to format html to text.  ot, but why the heck is "--disable-mouse" compiled in to arch's w3m?

"w3m -N *.txt" loads a directory full of text files in tabs.  (sorry, but I really like w3m).

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#19 2008-09-25 08:58:55

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

alex_anthony wrote:

Some of the reason why i use epiphany now are the little things.
I open a link in a new tab and it inherits the historyof the tab it was opened from, so i can still go back. Images too big for the screen start off maximised.
A couple of gripes about it - I'd like a normal search bar and a titlebar with (pagename) - Epiphany, but the little things just make me smile at how clever it is

You put the finger on the spot. It's the little things that does it. Also it somehow feels cleaner and snappier.
The only thing they should add is the abillity to autoclean cookies, history, cache etc when the application closes.

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#20 2008-09-25 10:42:38

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

arch0r wrote:

there are some nice gtk2 browsers but none of them satisfied me. so i switched back to firefox.
try privoxy for adblocking and privacy stuff (imho much better than adblock)
greasemonkey addon + pacman -S mplayer-plugin + scripts from userscripts.org to embed mplayer into the website to play flash videos :>

Could you point me to the scripts from userscripts.org you use?

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#21 2008-09-25 11:13:40

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

as long as theres no standalone vimperator-like browser, there can only be firefox


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#22 2008-09-25 13:38:15

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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

robmaloy wrote:

as long as theres no standalone vimperator-like browser, there can only be firefox

im looking forward to a possible google chrome that combines its history with the online google history and search history, but other than that im hooked on vimperator too....damn you vimperator....


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#23 2008-09-25 14:35:58

arch0r
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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

BabyDoc wrote:
arch0r wrote:

there are some nice gtk2 browsers but none of them satisfied me. so i switched back to firefox.
try privoxy for adblocking and privacy stuff (imho much better than adblock)
greasemonkey addon + pacman -S mplayer-plugin + scripts from userscripts.org to embed mplayer into the website to play flash videos :>

Could you point me to the scripts from userscripts.org you use?

sure. i use HQTube for watching movies on utube : http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999

search for mplayer on userscripts.org for more scripts!

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#24 2008-09-25 16:52:36

BabyDoc
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Re: Alternate Web Browser?

arch0r wrote:

sure. i use HQTube for watching movies on utube : http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999

search for mplayer on userscripts.org for more scripts!

Thank you very much.

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#25 2008-09-26 19:13:01

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