iwl4965 netcfg and NO luck so far...

kforum · 2008-10-01 15:34:21

ok, well i have all the net profile setup nicely...
even QUIRKS=(preessid) which teh wiki says its needed for intel cards.

and even though if i check iwconfig, it seems to connect... it doesnt, i stil get the unknow host when ping'in.

i've tried everything, tried using USE_WPA="yes" and WPAOPTS="-D wext", you name it.

my led is never on also. i believe this might be a kernel issue, but... what the bug! if the current arch kernel cant support this card...

anyhow, any hit or help form anyone, specially those that have this card also, would be great.
im kinda lost on what to do further here.

also, i want to get this working before installing any DE, so dont say, well if you get knetmanager it'll do this for ya.
i got this working before the DE in gentoo, im pretty sure its got to be possible here.

on a last note, my rc.conf is good. i only left interfaces=(eth0 wlan0) there(as in, nothing else regarding wlan0/wifi).
i was setting my gateway through rc, but it was giving netcfg trouble so i used the !gateway flag.(like teh beginner's guide recommends)

rson451 · 2008-10-01 15:40:06

Give us more information about your network. Is your SSID broadcast? If not, be sure to set SCAN="NO".

kforum · 2008-10-01 15:44:59

i set it to scan yes, scan no. tried with or without bcast...
tried a lot of things...

sorry for my frustrated answering.

edit:
its strange that i just tried connecting through ubuntu(which usually works) and it didnt work. im gonna try some more, if i can, then ill post my network profile.

Last edited by kforum (2008-10-01 16:15:19)

FrozenFox · 2008-10-01 16:28:04

Check dmesg. I just helped out a friend of mine with a similar issue, using older drivers, and it ended up being the dumbest thing ever: there was a button on his keyboard that apparently switched the wireless on/off.

kforum · 2008-10-01 17:20:20

does the fact that my router is using channel 6, have to do with anything?

kforum · 2008-10-01 20:34:07

FrozenFox wrote:

Check dmesg. I just helped out a friend of mine with a similar issue, using older drivers, and it ended up being the dumbest thing ever: there was a button on his keyboard that apparently switched the wireless on/off.

dmesg returns a lot of things to do with the driver/card.
everything is fine like i said...

rson451 · 2008-10-01 20:38:43

The channel will not matter. Can you do the steps manually and connect?

iwconfig wlan0 essid YOURSSIDHERE
ifconfig wlan0 up
dhcpcd wlan0

kforum · 2008-10-01 21:54:51

i use static ip address, and i checked, my router broadcasts.
so scan-yes, right.

and yeah this whole iwconfig/ifconfig combo, or anything else in the manuals/guides, was/were the first things i tried...

the situation is rather strange atm, im thinking it may be my password or whatever, something awkward like that.
what i know is that the only OS that connects to the net atm is XP. i tried using ubuntu, sabayon.

and, at least ubuntu i know would normally work... yet it cant seem to. i input my pass and it asks me for it again, even though it has been able to contact the router...

i thought it was also a matter of transmition, but apparently not...

im really ??? atm.

on a side note however, my old gentoo system was working... o.O?

rson451 · 2008-10-01 22:05:33

Can you at least just post general info about your network? So far I've gathered you are not using a DHCP server, you are broadcasting your SSID, and you are using encryption of some sort, probably wpa. That's about all.

I have a setup at my house, using a broadcast SSID, WPA encryption, and DHCP. The following profile works for me here.

CONNECTION="wireless"
DESCRIPTION="some_description"

INTERFACE="wlan0"
HOSTNAME=overlord

IP="dhcp"

GATEWAY=192.168.1.1

DOMAIN=localdomain
DNS1=4.2.2.1
DNS2=4.2.2.2

ESSID=myessid
SECURITY=wpa
KEY="mysupersecretpassword"
SCAN="YES"

WPA_OPTS="-Dwext"

This is using the 3945 driver, but should be similar for you.

iphitus · 2008-10-01 23:46:48

ok... could we stop guessing blindly in the dark here and follow the instructions listed on the wiki....

- Please post a copy of your profile
- Please describe your network in depth, particularly whether it has wep/wpa or no security.
- Please post the entire output of netcfg. I know it's not verbose, but what it says helps a LOT when trying to solve the problem

As a sidenote, if your led never comes on, make sure you have the iwlwifi-4964-ucode installed.

James

kforum · 2008-10-02 01:35:27

yes its installed, maybe i need to update it, but since all i have is vanilla install from the coreCD, it should work right?
well, at any rate, sorry for not posting my info right off the bat, but i've been trying to connect from other livecds with not much luck, like i said.(strangely so)

ill get it asap though.

for now ill say this
i connect to the net through my router(wifi router), its a simple 5 letter wep atm, and the ip is static.

in my profile i copied the example for static wep and modified what was needed.
so its very similar to what rson has, but with wep security of course.

for the record, netcfg says something like:
wep-static(my profile) [busy]
then usually the first tiem it says:
fail to start interface or whatnot.
then i try again and it says
wep-static up

so, it works...

i had a gateway problem with it before, it coudnt set the gateway. then i realized i needed to unset things i had initially set in rc.conf. now its good.(like routes=(!gateway) or similar).

i was also using dynamic 108mb in my router, i switched it to 54mb and channel 3, dynamic forces channel 6 like i said.(this shoudnt matter, but im really getting superstitious here so... )

ill try and get an explicit copy of my profile.

also, after the profile is up, the whole thing seems connected... if i keep checking iwconfig, the connection even has ups and downs(efficiency) so it should be 100%. but it cant ping crap doodle. so i begin to wonder, do the hosts.deny, or hosts.allow have anything to do with it?(i didn't change the default on those, which from my perception denies a lot of things)

kforum · 2008-10-02 02:57:13

nevermind im perfectly able to connect in other distros, i just neet to set static ips .

here is my profile:
CONNECTION="wireless"
DESCRIPTION="A wep encrypted wireless connection using static ip"
INTERFACE=wlan0
QUIRKS=(prescan preessid)
SCAN="yes"
SECURITY="wep"
ESSID="mynet"
KEY="s:passs"
IP="static"
IFOPTS="186.158.1.101 netmask 255.255.255.0"
#broadcast 186.158.1.255"
GATEWAY="186.158.1.1"
DNS1=186.158.1.1
USE_WPA="yes"
WPAOPTS="-D wext"

it looks all messed up atm, because i've been messing around with everything commenting all sorts of things in and out...

like i said, it 'works', but i still get the usual unknow host,(or in other words, no connection...) from everything.
this is very odd so far.
it might be just a simple issue though, i just dont know enough about arch to be aware of it... ^.^;

Last edited by kforum (2008-10-02 02:57:47)

rson451 · 2008-10-02 12:33:11

If you are using wep encryption then you dont need that WPA stuff. And you can try using different dns servers to see if that hels your no host issue.

iphitus · 2008-10-02 12:50:53

Are you sure it's WEP and not WPA? there's a difference, check.

Still need the output of netcfg when you try to connect. Again I know it's brief, but it says a lot about how far your device gets in terms of connecting.

Also, the output of iwconfig after running netcfg might be useful too.

James

kforum · 2008-10-02 12:57:24

i thought i described the output of netcfg above...
and ill see if i can get the output of iwconfig using gpm.

be mindful that i only have console tools thus far, since i dont wanna install the DE without wifi working.

and yeah, its wep, 5 digit ascii. i know what im doing in that department at least.:P

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kforum · 2008-10-02 14:05:38

alright... i figured the problem must be a DNS related issue, it was the only thing i had not tried so far anyhow.(i say that because it seems to connect fine, it just cant access the net somehow...)

so i switched my router to dhcp for a moment and got... interesting results.
(i also changed the profile to use dhcp)

first when i ran my profile it returned:
wireless association failed(which seems to happen at least once in not so well configured wifis, form what i read).
then again:
network unavailable, or something like that... it just coudnt connect it seems.
then a 3rd time:
DHCP IP unable to get lease, or whatnot, which is also strange because i have my laptop's wifi ip reserved through the mac address...

then the 4th time it worked, wifi up and everything running. got net? ^^;
(maybe that tells me to increse the timeout?)

still, im a big confused about why so many error messages, and why cant i get static ip to work.

any hints/ideas?

Last edited by kforum (2008-10-02 14:15:08)

kforum · 2008-10-02 15:17:48

i tried messing with dns/everything else combos.
and the only thing i noticed is that if i add my routers ip and not just the ISP's dns ones to resolv.conf.
my profile ups in like 1 sec and with 0 issues or complains.
everything else still caters to the the host not found or whatnots of life situations... in otherwords, no static ip net still.

-at least i feel we are getting close...

Last edited by kforum (2008-10-02 15:18:14)

kforum · 2008-10-03 15:59:49

i tried connecting to my router's ip and it said, 'no route to host', so i figured maybe the gateway had to do with it, so i tried setting it in rc.conf(and commenting out the set in the net profile), or commenting out the one in rc.conf and using the one in the net prof.

or furthermore setting ROUTES=(gateway), in rc.conf but with no 'gateway' specified through there, only through the profile... nothing

this is nuts so far. why does dhcp work and this doesnt?

perbh · 2008-10-03 17:17:27

I had the same problem some while back - though that was ipw3945 and frugalware.
It would work fine with dhcp but if I tried fixed ip-addy the li'l light on the laptop went absolutely wild (dell precision m90)
Still don't know how to sort it, but in the end I settled for dhcp :-(

kforum · 2008-10-03 18:12:33

i cant do that so... >.<... this IS a Archlinux issue anyways... it worked fine on every other distro out there.

iphitus · 2008-10-04 00:06:38

Please give me the EXACT output of netcfg

kforum · 2008-10-04 04:24:51

sorry iphitus, but after seeing an Admin say this:

Dusty wrote:

kforum wrote:
Arch is not heaven.
Course not, its what you make it. Apparently for some, that's heaven.
Dusty

i guess then Arch is just -not for me.
people say gentoo users 'have issues', maybe thats true...

thanks for the interest, on a side note though... if 2 people have an unsolved problem, then its something to be looked into.

good luck and cheers,

kforum, over and out...

rson451 · 2008-10-04 04:49:35

I'm sorry that you couldn't fix your issue, but I can't say I'm surprised to be quite frank. We asked you for information multiple times and you have yet to post any of it. You can't expect people to fix something they can't diagnose. Good luck wherever you end up, sorry to see you go.

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