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#2401 2010-09-16 02:54:30

DarksideEE7
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

subzero316 wrote:

Flash player 64 bit Out.
Yaeeee!!!... About time Phew!...
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html

Wow....hell has frozen over.

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#2402 2010-09-16 05:11:30

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Cdh wrote:
venky80 wrote:

I just have these questions for my r600 (ATI MOBILITY RADEON HD3670) and latest catalyst
--Is the 2D performance smooth?

I have a  HD 4670.
How do you define "smooth"? Resizing and dragging around opaque windows and scrolling should be good, what else is important for you?

venky80 wrote:

--Is the 3D performance smooth?

Actually with the newest catalyst in 10.8 which makes 3d not so smooth when vsync is enabled, but without vsync I had no issues so far.

venky80 wrote:

--Would I get hardware acceleration for videos?

No. Video acceleration is only available on Cards with UVD2 and this is built in only since 4xxx.

venky80 wrote:

--would I get hardware acceleration for flash?

Noone will get that because flash has no hardware acceleration. gnash has vaapi support, but your card doesn't.

venky80 wrote:

Is there a good howto for installing catalyst and removing it? Could that be added to the first post?

I believe everything is there:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI … positories
Just add the repository, do pacman -S catalyst and put fglrx in your rc.conf MODULES. Then create a xorg.conf with aticonfig --initial and start X (after modprobing fglrx!).


so is there any point to use catalyst for R600 ati cards ? (mobility HD3670) I get no video acceleration and flash take 30% cpu to run, please advise.


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#2403 2010-09-16 06:21:24

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

10.9 is a good release. Solved some problems i have, for example, resizing smplayer windows with xv output and composite on always give me a hard crash. Water plugin on compiz doesn´t work but at least doesn´t freeze my machine now. I don't have to reload compiz windows manager anymore!.  I put v-sync always on with amdccle and compiz works very very well. I installed new flash on my 32 bits machine and works like a dream with chromium, is smooth. 1080p videos are fluid and "only" consumes 15 % of my core i5 750 @ 3,38 ghz CPU.

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Excuse my poor English.

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#2404 2010-09-16 06:32:04

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

agapito wrote:

10.9 is a good release. Solved some problems i have, for example resizing smplayer windows with xv output and composite on always give me a hard crash. Water plugin on compiz doesn´t work but at least doesn´t freeze my machine now. I put v-sync always on with amdccle and compiz works very very well. I installed new flash on my 32 bits machine and works like a dream with chromium, is smooth. 1080p videos are fluid and "only" consumes 15 % of my core i5 750 @ 3,38 ghz CPU.

I agree, this is a good one.  I found that the vsync bug was fixed for my card where when I enable vsync via amdcccle it forces it to 30 Hz instead of my monitor's 60Hz in 3d applications. 

Previously I would enable vsync, then open glxgears and I would get ~30 FPS.  Now I get 60. 

I also noticed that my switching time between DISPLAY:0 and DISPLAY:1 is waaaay faster than it used to be.  I run a second X server for playing SC and SC2 so I can keep everything separate in the event of a crash, and in the past it has taken an embarrassingly long time to switch using ctrl+alt+F7/F8. 

Testing Starcraft 2 now.
EDIT:

Well SC2 won't even launch anymore.  Oh well, I normally reboot into Windows 7 to play that.  SC Brood Wars still plays fine.

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#2405 2010-09-16 08:49:15

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Hi,
First of all, thank you Vi0l0 for the awesome work you're doing with the catalyst packages.
I'm reading here and there that the new 10.9 drivers don't generate artifacts anymore, so i was wondering,
is it safe to remove the maximize-fix patched xorg and put the classic unpatched one instead?

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#2406 2010-09-16 09:03:51

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

mattoufoutu wrote:

Hi,
First of all, thank you Vi0l0 for the awesome work you're doing with the catalyst packages.
I'm reading here and there that the new 10.9 drivers don't generate artifacts anymore, so i was wondering,
is it safe to remove the maximize-fix patched xorg and put the classic unpatched one instead?

I'm using the unpatched server and everything seems ok with 10.9

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#2407 2010-09-16 09:53:16

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Man, I can't find the file...

I wrote "aticonfig --set-pcs-str=DDX,ForceXAA,TRUE" in a file, so that Arch starts with this option and I don't have to restart the X-Server. Now I want to get rid of it, but I forgot, in which file I wrote it in. Does anyone know, where this file can be?

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#2408 2010-09-16 10:46:45

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

thank you for your work Vi0L0  :-)

I just have a little issue:   when I update package (10.8 => 10.9 for example)   amdcccle always show me like I didn't upgrade, I have still "10.8"  in the information tab. 
How can I be sure I really been updated ??


thank for your help


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#2409 2010-09-16 10:59:25

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

ChemBro wrote:

Man, I can't find the file...

I wrote "aticonfig --set-pcs-str=DDX,ForceXAA,TRUE" in a file, so that Arch starts with this option and I don't have to restart the X-Server. Now I want to get rid of it, but I forgot, in which file I wrote it in. Does anyone know, where this file can be?

You can do  "aticonfig --set-pcs-str=DDX,ForceXAA,FALSE" to undo it.
It is /etc/ati/amdpcsdb
But I think it may be not a too bad idea to remove the whole /etc/ati directory when installing a new catalyst to make sure there are no deprecated functions in there.

@ Gillian
Try also deleting the whole thing before installing the new.

venky80 wrote:

so is there any point to use catalyst for R600 ati cards ? (mobility HD3670) I get no video acceleration and flash take 30% cpu to run, please advise.

Only if you want newest OpenGL Features I would say.
But the Open Driver is already very good. I have seen sauerbraten on nearly highest settings run very smooth with the -git drivers, -git mesa and -drm-testing kernel.


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#2410 2010-09-16 12:20:54

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

ChemBro wrote:

Man, I can't find the file...

I wrote "aticonfig --set-pcs-str=DDX,ForceXAA,TRUE" in a file, so that Arch starts with this option and I don't have to restart the X-Server. Now I want to get rid of it, but I forgot, in which file I wrote it in. Does anyone know, where this file can be?

Probably /etc/rc.local

Gillian00 wrote:

I just have a little issue:   when I update package (10.8 => 10.9 for example)   amdcccle always show me like I didn't upgrade, I have still "10.8"  in the information tab. 
How can I be sure I really been updated ??

Yesterday i posted solution on the wiki:
- Amdcccle is showing different catalyst's version
It's because information about version is stored in /etc/ati/amdpcsdb file. This file is created while first run of X/DE by freshly installed catalyst, and later it's not updated. Solution: kill your X/DE, then remove /etc/ati/amdpcsdb, restart your X/DE, and then set up amdcccle.

I think that removing /etc/ati/amdpcsdb is a "must do" after main catalyst update.

Last edited by Vi0L0 (2010-09-16 12:27:14)

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#2411 2010-09-16 12:27:00

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Vi0L0 wrote:

I think that removing /etc/ati/amdpcsdb is a "must do" after main catalyst update.

Could this removal be included in the post-install function ?


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#2412 2010-09-16 12:34:45

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

LeCrayonVert wrote:
Vi0L0 wrote:

I think that removing /etc/ati/amdpcsdb is a "must do" after main catalyst update.

Could this removal be included in the post-install function ?

No, you must kill X/DE before removing file. Simple remove won't give anything because this file will be immediately restored by catalyst drivers.

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#2413 2010-09-16 12:47:57

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

it did the trick  for me.


Thank you again   :-) 




Sometimes and with no apparent reason,  xorg is working hard and eat 100% of one cpu. Then I have to kill X  and take a new session.  How can I know if it is a xorg problem or a application problem or a kde problem or a catalyst problem ?


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#2414 2010-09-16 12:51:30

snack
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Cdh wrote:
venky80 wrote:

so is there any point to use catalyst for R600 ati cards ? (mobility HD3670) I get no video acceleration and flash take 30% cpu to run, please advise.

Only if you want newest OpenGL Features I would say.

I would also say that power save is much better with catalyst. For a laptop user this is a key feature.

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#2415 2010-09-16 16:17:42

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Gillian00 wrote:

Sometimes and with no apparent reason,  xorg is working hard and eat 100% of one cpu. Then I have to kill X  and take a new session.  How can I know if it is a xorg problem or a application problem or a kde problem or a catalyst problem ?

Well... it's not easy to get such information, because to investigate it you will have to involve debugging, tracing, mapping and other developing tricks. And even for good developer it's sometimes hard to tell whats causing the problem...

So i suggest you to do some easier things like:
- disabling some kde features/services (like plasma elements or powerdevil) or kwin's effects or kwin's settings
- playing with amdcccle
- if you are still observing high CPU usage i guess you should search web for fixes (sometimes it's related with hardware like gpu or mobo, so it's good to provide such info in search query)

Also maybe you are catching some X server lockup, and high cpu is just a side effect for this. You should look up at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for some errors. Plus look at /var/log/kdm.log and if there is something similar to "stuck in an infinite loop" related with a date when you experinced high cpu usage - it's most probably an X bug, and you should fill bug report. If you dicide to fill bug report - be sure to name it as "xserver lockup', not 'high cpu usage'.

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#2416 2010-09-16 17:21:48

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

I always do these steps to install catalyst:

1. sudo pacman -Rd catalyst
2. sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
3. sudo rm -fr /etc/ati
4. yaourt -S catalyst
5. reboot (is not really needed)


Excuse my poor English.

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#2417 2010-09-16 18:02:27

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

agapito wrote:

I always do these steps to install catalyst:

1. sudo pacman -Rd catalyst
2. sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
3. sudo rm -fr /etc/ati
4. yaourt -S catalyst
5. reboot (is not really needed)

ok, but i think that actually there's no need of removing xorg.conf, because it contains only basic settings.
im using same xorg.conf for about umm... i dunno year, maybe longer.

plus i believe that since split - it's better to use original (better ;P) makepkg, because with it you don't need to download ati-driver-* file 2 times.
So just simply download tarballs of catalyst (or catalyst-hook or catalyst-daemon) and catalyst-utils from aur,
(edit3)
extract it
cd catalyst-utils
makepkg -c
sudo pacman -U catalyst-utils-*.tar.xz
(or if you are updating: sudo pacman -Ud catalyst-utils-*.tar.xz )
cp ati-driver-* ../catalyst
cd ../catalyst
makepkg -ci

that's all.
Basically i'm using bauerbill to check were aur's packages updated, and i'm building them with makepkg. Also i think that bauerbill is better than yaourt wink

Plus - is yaourt still removing source files after update?
If so - using makepkg is much better - because you don't need to download ati-driver-* to rebuild fglrx module after kernel's update - just `makepkg -ci` in catalyst directory that you previously created.

Last edited by Vi0L0 (2010-09-16 19:13:17)

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#2418 2010-09-16 19:15:18

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

why doesn't work glxinfo or glxgears with the new catalyst 10.9? when i run glxinfo or glxgears appears:

$glxinfo
name of display: :0.0
X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
  Major opcode of failed request:  136 (GLX)
  Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)
  Serial number of failed request:  18
  Current serial number in output stream:  18

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#2419 2010-09-16 20:54:17

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Vi0L0 wrote:
ChemBro wrote:

Man, I can't find the file...

I wrote "aticonfig --set-pcs-str=DDX,ForceXAA,TRUE" in a file, so that Arch starts with this option and I don't have to restart the X-Server. Now I want to get rid of it, but I forgot, in which file I wrote it in. Does anyone know, where this file can be?

Probably /etc/rc.local

Thank you. Found it again. :-D

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#2420 2010-09-16 22:42:42

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

aqamar wrote:

why doesn't work glxinfo or glxgears with the new catalyst 10.9? when i run glxinfo or glxgears appears:

$glxinfo
name of display: :0.0
X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
  Major opcode of failed request:  136 (GLX)
  Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)
  Serial number of failed request:  18
  Current serial number in output stream:  18

I understand that you are updating(?)

If so - are you using repo or aur? if repo - note that catalyst package provides only fglrx module for stock kernel26.
catalyst-utils package is necessary.

Please paste file generated by /usr/sbin/atigetsysteminfo.sh on some pastebin server (and give us link to it wink ).

Last edited by Vi0L0 (2010-09-16 23:18:09)

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#2421 2010-09-16 23:07:38

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

I removed xorg-server-1.8-catalyst-maximize-fix and tried the vanilla version, no luck.  Window resizing is still painfully slow.

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#2422 2010-09-16 23:20:48

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

DarksideEE7 wrote:

I removed xorg-server-1.8-catalyst-maximize-fix and tried the vanilla version, no luck.  Window resizing is still painfully slow.

Are you sure you enabled ATi 2D Acceleration?

# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep  2D
[    16.373] (==) fglrx(0): ATI 2D Acceleration Architecture enabled

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#2423 2010-09-17 00:30:04

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Can i run # catalyst_build_module auto without installing catalyst-hook or catalyst-daemon? (I have only one kernel version but i would it to rebuild the module automatically on every kernel update)

EDIT: stupid question, i shoud have tried before asking. sorry

Last edited by jck (2010-09-17 00:45:50)

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#2424 2010-09-17 00:50:21

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Vi0L0 wrote:
DarksideEE7 wrote:

I removed xorg-server-1.8-catalyst-maximize-fix and tried the vanilla version, no luck.  Window resizing is still painfully slow.

Are you sure you enabled ATi 2D Acceleration?

# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep  2D
[    16.373] (==) fglrx(0): ATI 2D Acceleration Architecture enabled

No it's not enabled....I wasn't aware that you had to manually enable it.  i'm going to give that a shot.  Thanks.

EDIT:

I had it disabled via this command:

aticonfig --set-pcs-str=DDX,ForceXAA,TRUE

I'll set it to false, then install xorg-server and test.


EDIT:

All right, back in business.  Thanks!

Last edited by DarksideEE7 (2010-09-17 01:52:46)

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#2425 2010-09-17 00:55:05

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

DarksideEE7 wrote:
Vi0L0 wrote:
DarksideEE7 wrote:

I removed xorg-server-1.8-catalyst-maximize-fix and tried the vanilla version, no luck.  Window resizing is still painfully slow.

Are you sure you enabled ATi 2D Acceleration?

# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep  2D
[    16.373] (==) fglrx(0): ATI 2D Acceleration Architecture enabled

No it's not enabled....I wasn't aware that you had to manually enable it.  i'm going to give that a shot.  Thanks.

once you typed `aticonfig --set-pcs-str=DDX,ForceXAA,TRUE` - it will always work (its stored in /etc/ati/amdpcsdb).
I suggest to remove amdpcsdb in the way i posted here.

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