Suggestion for some kind of repo moderation system - maybe "half-TU"?

dav7 · 2008-10-17 17:08:55

I'll be honest. Ever since I put "Trusted User" and "can modify package repos" together, I've been wanting to become a TU for a while. However, after googling "arch linux becoming a trusted user" and discovering that TUs are also charged with keeping the AUR in good repair, I kinda shied away.

However, I'd still love to see some packages moved from the AUR into [community], [extra] or whatever (I have no idea how the repos are managed), and am sure others would probably like seeing good, stable, usable packages moved from AUR into the official repos as well.

So, I propose something equal or equivalent to a Half TU: a privilege-elevated member who can submit packages for moderation and inclusion by real TUs, possibly via a hidden thread in this forum or even a web interface, so that packages can be moved to the official repos, at a TU's (hopefully just) discretion.

What do you think? Discuss/flame/lock as desired

PS. This post's title isn't the best (it doesn't convey this post's intent too well), so if a mod wants to change it, please do.

-dav7

Last edited by dav7 (2008-10-17 17:12:30)

mentallaxative · 2008-10-17 17:30:31

Dav7, you sound like you want to have your cake and eat it too.

Is it a matter of the TUs not knowing which packages are good or useful enough to be incorporated into the official repositories? I thought that was the point of the voting system--identifying the pkgbuilds that are actually being used. If it's to get more packages in the official repos, then these packages will need to be maintained by somebody; if a package is placed in the official repositories without a dedicated maintainer (assuming the current maintainers are keeping watch over as many packages as they are able to at the moment), then the point is lost.

dav7 · 2008-10-17 18:32:01

I see.

Hmmm....

What about a build server then? *goes and posts about that*

-dav7

dav7 · 2008-10-17 18:40:36

...which is over here.

-dav7

neotuli · 2008-10-17 18:58:29

I actually think it'd be difficult to find motivated people to do something like comb through aur packages and suggest them for binary repo inclusion. If you can think of some sort of metrics we could use instead, and better yet, ways to implement those metrics... so that TUs could for instance order packages by "probability people would like to see them included", that'd be neat.

Suggested variables going into this equation: download count (implementation is a challenge), perhaps a form of voting, maybe a weighted download count (ie power-users that download might count for more than a first-timer), perhaps number of people watching for package updates, number of people that flag it out of date, etc etc etc.

Xyne · 2008-10-17 19:22:30

I'll ask this here as I think it's relevant. Once a package is added to the community repo, is it completely taken over by TUs? Is it possible to grant individuals the ability to manage single packages in the community repo without making them a TU?

neotuli · 2008-10-17 19:33:44

no.

Garns · 2008-10-17 19:34:02

Xyne wrote:

I'll ask this here as I think it's relevant. Once a package is added to the community repo, is it completely taken over by TUs? Is it possible to grant individuals the ability to manage single packages in the community repo without making them a TU?

I think officially the packages are completely taken over by the TUs. You can't get access to the repo otherwise - unless you are a dev . There might be some things going on behind the scenes with people sending updated pkgbuilds directly to TUs, but I don't think that's what you mean.

neotuli wrote:

I actually think it'd be difficult to find motivated people to do something like comb through aur packages and suggest them for binary repo inclusion. If you can think of some sort of metrics we could use instead, and better yet, ways to implement those metrics... so that TUs could for instance order packages by "probability people would like to see them included", that'd be neat.
Suggested variables going into this equation: download count (implementation is a challenge), perhaps a form of voting, maybe a weighted download count (ie power-users that download might count for more than a first-timer), perhaps number of people watching for package updates, number of people that flag it out of date, etc etc etc.

Is the voting system doing so bad? I mean you could do some other things, especially download count would be nice to have, but last thing I know, it's not like we have a whole bunch of TUs out there being terribly bored and looking desperately for more packages.

Dusty · 2008-10-17 19:44:06

Is there any reason any random person can't set up their own repo on their own server and stop trying to tell the TUs what to do??

Dusty

SiC · 2008-10-18 21:56:16

Dusty wrote:

Is there any reason any random person can't set up their own repo on their own server and stop trying to tell the TUs what to do??

That would be my preference, if you really want to maintain binary versions of packages, then set your own repo up. This has a number of advantages, it helps the TUs by not overloading the AUR and/or the community repository with packages, helping them focus on package stability and quality, I would rather have packages in the official repositories be stable and properly tested.

Just my 2d.

moljac024 · 2008-10-18 23:35:45

I call quarter-TU !

dav7 · 2008-10-19 04:28:45

Hm. Have my own repo. That sounds like an interesting thing to do when I either get a better internet connection with more than 25GB of monthly bandwidth, or can afford to have a server somewhere

-dav7

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