Nooooooo!!

timetrap · 2008-11-20 16:24:35

This hit the front page of reddit today . . .

I guess Arch is number one at something. . .

Further in the article:

Dan Mcgee wrote:

"Our server was under some rather severe load, and it had been growing the last few months," Dan told us in an email. "On the 10th, I took some action against some of the things we thought were causing it. The biggest thing was a cronjob that was thrashing our disk caches and increasing I/O load far more than it should have. This cronjob was removed. I would equate our performance benefit mostly to this one."

Good call on that one.

string · 2008-11-20 16:34:15

Science H Logic. What's the big deal? Uptime is highly overrated.

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cdwillis · 2008-11-20 17:10:09

Damn. Just damn.

kensai · 2008-11-20 17:13:44

Yeah, they took the worst time to conduct the uptime test, it was the time Gerolde a'sploded.

Ghost1227 · 2008-11-20 17:28:23

Thank you Murphy's Law...

mentallaxative · 2008-11-20 17:30:50

...and then someone else does another uptime test during the planned downtime.

Xyne · 2008-11-20 17:35:36

Well, look at it this way... this should keep the "headlines only" people away from us.

still though... amusingly sad

MindTooth · 2008-11-20 17:36:21

Is the server upgrade soon?

Birger

skottish · 2008-11-20 17:36:43

The author clarified all throughout the article that the Arch stats are a fluke:

Arch's downtime was attributed to a small vehicle somehow crushing their server and rendering it useless. When we asked Dan McGee at Arch Linux about this, he replied "f**cking Phrak".

phrakture · 2008-11-20 17:37:10

string wrote:

Science H Logic

Got a good laugh out of that. Hah!

wuischke · 2008-11-20 18:16:52

Mh...to be honest, I decided to stop using Arch as my primary system due to the downtime. This has actually little to do with Arch itself, but rather with my reliance on Arch and particularly pacman. (It's just too damn nice.)

What if - for whatever reason - Arch ceases to be like it is?* Will I have the time to learn how to use another operating system fitting my needs? So I'll try to care for my OpenBSD partition more and replace anything Linux specific with compatible alternatives (for instance jfs with ext2) I've learned to live without Windows, without YAST, without Synaptics, why shouldn't I learn to live without (Arch) Linux?

* Don't say this can't happen, just look at a certain source based meta distribution.

phrakture · 2008-11-20 19:01:21

That downtime did not take down the mirrors at all. Pacman still worked fine.

Additionally, without that specific incident, we'd be at 0 downtime 8)

kensai · 2008-11-20 19:17:07

wuichke,

That certain Gentoo you are talking about suffers from something deeper and far stronger than a downtime. They suffer from lack of leadership, they have no motivation no one to guide them, and though they kind of do, no one cares about this little leadership that might exist. Daniel Robbins offered to take Gentoo back as the leader, once more, but the elitsim that plagues some Gentoo Developers made them reject his generous offer, nonetheless Daniel is improving Gentoo on his own, look at funtoo for reference.

Arch Linux has a leader, and one that can throw cars as well, that way we respect him, because we don't want a car thrown at us. Most importantly is not his way or the highway, he cares about our opinions and we all have the freedom to move our way, but asking for his opinion first, as is fair.

Judd was the Leader of Arch, he decided he couldn't do the job anymore, what happened? Arch got another leader, did Arch declined from that day? No, quite the contrary Arch has been improving since then constantly, day by day. We have fixed, and improved a lot of things. There is even a Newsletter again, the editor is so awesome. We have a new logo, better documentation, the forums are being controlled far more delicately, packages are being updated faster, we have brought new developers, and plan on bringing more for specified tasks, for example for bluetooth support. In conclusion, all is going better and better.

Can a distribution cease to exist? But of course, even Microsoft can cease to exist in one day, look at the Enron case and many other cases where big companies just go down so fast, no matter how stable they are. As to OpenBSD, it can cease to exist as well, we know the lead developer is temperamental, he can shut down everything just because he likes to.

So, all can cease to exist, even the world as we know, so don't live in constant fear.

Edit: Yeah, some of you will say, darn, tl; dr

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mentallaxative · 2008-11-20 19:18:14

phrakture wrote:

That downtime did not take down the mirrors at all. Pacman still worked fine.
Additionally, without that specific incident, we'd be at 0 downtime 8)

Ah. That makes me feel so much better.

string · 2008-11-20 19:58:38

kensai wrote:

wuichke, <...>

^^ tl; dr

Joking aside, here's my attempt to hijack the thread: I was a big fan of drobbins back when he was running and I was using Gentoo, but the fact of the matter is some developers simply did not want *him* "back" and not just out of elitism (I remember reading some articles/blog posts in this sense, I can't quite locate them ATM). In recent times as far as "Gentoo" is concerned, I tend to share the opinions of Paludis/Exherbo developers. Today, I can't imagine myself wanting to run Gentoo at any point in the future, not unless it will return to its "former glory". I'll say this: it is a darn shame, Gentoo used to be a technological beauty (nowadays, the only Linux distribution I personally consider a "technological beauty" -- or the only one which will soon become a "technological beauty" is Arch Linux *hugs*)

Ok. ^ tl; dr.

DonVla · 2008-11-20 20:23:31

woohoo!!!!
arch won!!!!!

foutrelis · 2008-11-20 21:39:21

DonVla wrote:

woohoo!!!!
arch won!!!!!

wuischke · 2008-11-21 09:31:48

Actually my mirror was only half-sinced, that's how I realized the server was down and not just my dns bad.

Please just ignore my personal considerations after the unexpected down time, they are certainly not worth as many words as you used.

moljac024 · 2008-11-21 11:35:50

Dang, wuischke, I thought you were being sarcastic...

Nezmer · 2008-11-21 12:45:31

Sh** , why Arch is listed with the BIG ONES !

ArchArael · 2008-11-21 14:11:52

WTF!!! Perfect timing.

By the way, during the downtime my main concern was the forum. I like this forum very much.

As usually pacman worked well during the downtime, so why bother.

It's just an unfair advertising.

It's unfair for all people that are working hard in attempt to make a better distribution.

Keep up the good work! The uptime is nothing.

At least not a motivation to change distribution or worrying.

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k.mandla · 2008-11-21 15:08:04

I'd just like everyone to know that I pick my distro on the basis of home page uptime. Stability, reliability, ease of use, customization, speed -- all those points are completely irrelevant. Only home page uptime matters.

Lord Illidan · 2008-11-21 15:26:20

k.mandla wrote:

I'd just like everyone to know that I pick my distro on the basis of home page uptime. Stability, reliability, ease of use, customization, speed -- all those points are completely irrelevant. Only home page uptime matters.

I agree 100%. No home page uptime?? Come on..I am switching to Fedora. At least their home page had no downtime.

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phrakture · 2008-11-21 17:20:38

k.mandla wrote:

I'd just like everyone to know that I pick my distro on the basis of home page uptime. Stability, reliability, ease of use, customization, speed -- all those points are completely irrelevant. Only home page uptime matters.

This is serious business.

R00KIE · 2008-11-22 18:06:04

Planned downtimes with some info posted on the main pages is ok for me, no worries there, but I got a little bit worried when there was no page at all and no one knew for sure what was wrong.

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