When will Intel 965 work again, properly??

SLKDK · 2009-02-24 21:37:34

Hi all.

I know this isnt a Arch specific problem, but I just really wonder how the he** it can be that for many months now we all have poor performance with the Intel driver and the newest X.org.

(I know there are solutions like: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=66057 - but it shouldn't be nessasary..)

Im just really wondering why it hasn't worked for *months* properly.. Its Linux for crying out loud! Not Winblows..! MONTHS! ffs..
Its just SO bad..

Yeah, I know, how can I complain, I don't contribute with anything. Well, excuse me, Im just wondering.. Nothing else..

Lastly, how many more months will there be before performance on Intel 965 will be as good as before? (I used to get ~1300 fps in glxgears, now ~ 250fps. (I know. its not a benchmarking tool, yada yada..)

Hope you can bear over my frustration, and my poorly english.

Best regards..

skottish · 2009-02-24 22:03:15

I can't answer your question directly, but I do know that the newer intel drivers and xorg-server are coming to Arch testing soon. Maybe this will solve your problem.

http://www.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch … 10348.html

stefanwilkens · 2009-02-24 22:19:02

april, at best.

Though some are disputing things will even be done by then as there is a lot of work / discussion being done on the topic. Even with everything adapted we'll still go through an adaption period to iron out the bugs. Some people compiled some upstream packages and are showing performance simmilar to "old" setups, so good things are on the way.

We need the completed and updated 2.6.29 kernel together with xserver-xorg 1.6.0 and several other packages (libdrm, mesa...). We're going through a fase where the basis of graphics management, memory management, is being updated... A lot of packages maintained by a lot of different teams need to be reworked to comply with the new GEM manager. Open source releases come out when they come out, that's just the way it is.

Normal desktop use is still perfectly fine with the current setup, I have no trouble doing office work / browsing / youtube / videos at all on my intel x3100 (965) laptop. I killed off a few shiny enhancements and am waiting for the guys upstream to take their time and make things sexy.

Look on the bright side: It gives you an oppertunity to get some work done

anrxc · 2009-02-24 22:56:54

SLKDK wrote:

Im just really wondering why it hasn't worked for *months* properly.. Its Linux for crying out loud! Not Winblows..! MONTHS! ffs..

What the hell are you talking about, we just got tv-out fixed a few months ago (with 2.3.2), and that chip is out for more then 2 YEARS!

soupcan · 2009-02-25 00:02:05

Is the 965 the same thing as the Intel X3100? That's what it says my laptop has on the box, and it doesn't preform very well.

tjwoosta · 2009-02-25 03:59:02

soupcan wrote:

Is the 965 the same thing as the Intel X3100? That's what it says my laptop has on the box, and it doesn't preform very well.

yes

mine also said x3100 on the box, but if i run the command lspci i see this

Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)

poor performance indeed

if i use EXA my compiz framerate is about 25 FPS (horrible)

if i use XAA i can get about 100 FPS in compiz (better, but this means i have to change my gstreamer settings in order to make totem work and most games dont work)

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Ronin-Sage · 2009-02-25 05:10:38

Did you try the i810-repo stuff, as posted in another topic in this subforum? I'm using it(945GM) and get clock in ~2000fps(w/ tweaks) on glxgears and run pSX, as well as UrbanTerror nicely.

soupcan · 2009-02-27 01:18:52

Ronin-Sage wrote:

Did you try the i810-repo stuff, as posted in another topic in this subforum? I'm using it(945GM) and get clock in ~2000fps(w/ tweaks) on glxgears and run pSX, as well as UrbanTerror nicely.

I'll keep that in mind. Could the new X update have any positive effect on performance?

Ronin-Sage · 2009-02-27 03:38:08

soupcan wrote:

Ronin-Sage wrote:
Did you try the i810-repo stuff, as posted in another topic in this subforum? I'm using it(945GM) and get clock in ~2000fps(w/ tweaks) on glxgears and run pSX, as well as UrbanTerror nicely.
I'll keep that in mind. Could the new X update have any positive effect on performance?

That, I do not know about. I'm still having issues compiling/running the new stack correctly, let alone benchmarking it :\

Of course, that's a problem on my end.

b9anders · 2009-02-27 08:29:54

I run the latest xorg stack and apart from a few glitches (touchpad and resume from suspend doesn't work) which the arch devs will proobably iron out when they start packaging this, I would say performance is back to the standard we had with TTM. So I would presume that will also hold true with the packages imminent in testing.

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LordChaos73 · 2009-03-02 09:52:24

I have just tested Ubuntu 9.04 Alpha 5 on my laptop (Sony Vaio BZ12XN - Intel X3100) which uses Xorg's 1.6 branch and the 2.6.1 intel driver and I got around ~1000 fps in glxgears with compiz turned on.

SLKDK · 2009-03-02 09:54:32

LordChaos> Niiiiice! I'll try Ubuntu 9.04 when it is done.

jiu · 2009-03-02 10:12:17

Hi everyone,

I've had the big performance hit too, with an i810. I installed xf86-video-intel-newest from AUR, along with the associated libdrm and performance came back close to what it used to be a few months ago. It's not quite there but still a lot better than just before.

[EDIT] precision: this is using EXA on an old 1.6GHz centrino laptop. glxgears runs with 300fps and openarena is quite fluid.

Last edited by jiu (2009-03-02 10:16:56)

Convergence · 2009-03-13 12:26:55

One of the computers on my network has an old 810, and I fixed it before ronin-sage was kind enough to post his repo by manually downgrading several packages. Now I have a huge list of things that can't be upgraded in pacman.conf until this problem is resolved. I'm tempted to buy an old pci nvidia card for it for 40 bucks or so, as it would solve the problem, but am kinda broke at the moment (like so many people in these times)

jwcxz · 2009-03-13 14:06:50

I'm still using all the old X packages with XAA. 3D support is half broken (running a game => system crash), but Compiz works just fine. I'm not budging until I know that {E,U}XA is fully functional.

Ronin-Sage · 2009-03-13 14:49:51

I can get functional performance with the latest [testing] stack, ~400fps in glxgears, but UrbanTerror, for instance is far too choppy to play(pSX, however, works fine). Other than that, transparency is normal, haven't tried compositing but I'd image it'd be somewhat sluggish; pretty much a functional desktop that I can do work on...which is fitting, I suppose--I mainly do work on my Linux partition(which has some games, but mostly "serious" stuff), and play on Windows(which has 75% space reserved for games, although I do have some productivity stuff too).

The only game I would play on Linux a regular basis, at the present, would be UrbanTerror, but it's installed on my XP partition so meh. I would rather play it on Linux(it's faster in general, especially with a tweaked config/kernel/cfg), so it's not that terrible, but there's still much to be desired in terms of flexibility in general in regard to this new stack(for me, an Intel 945GM user, at least).

karabaja4 · 2009-03-13 15:22:47

On Intel i915:

I get very good 3D performance with i915 on xorg-server 1.6.0, xf86-video-intel 2.6.3 and EXA acceleration. However, 2D (scrolling, web videos) is very bad, almost unusable.

With UXA, performace in 2D and 3D is equally bad

So, for 2D I use old xorg-server 1.4.2 and xf86-video-intel 2.3.2 which uses XAA and works very good in 2D, also 3D isn't bad (but still not as good as newest EXA).

Ronin-Sage · 2009-03-13 23:15:09

karabaja4 wrote:

On Intel i915:
I get very good 3D performance with i915 on xorg-server 1.6.0, xf86-video-intel 2.6.3 and EXA acceleration. However, 2D (scrolling, web videos) is very bad, almost unusable.
With UXA, performace in 2D and 3D is equally bad
So, for 2D I use old xorg-server 1.4.2 and xf86-video-intel 2.3.2 which uses XAA and works very good in 2D, also 3D isn't bad (but still not as good as newest EXA).

What's your graphics hardware(sorry if it was posted elsewhere before)?

karabaja4 · 2009-03-13 23:23:27

Ronin-Sage wrote:

What's your graphics hardware(sorry if it was posted elsewhere before)?

it's written on top of the quoted post but here's complete:

VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)

sokuban · 2009-03-14 01:21:40

The thing I always wondered is why they deprecated the old drivers/TTM before the new drivers were working fine.

I can't use compiz or xcompmgr (the latter more due to bugs than performance) and I don't regularily do any performance intensive tasks though, so I'm just waiting for this to be over rather than downgrading/upgrading.

I get X crashes about once or twice a month or so when using EXA or UXA. (XAA is fine.)

Right now I'm using EXA with MigrationHeuristic greedy, because I hope it might stop the crashes (only time will tell). It causes a bug with window resing and xcompmgr though, so I have it turned off now. (I could just use XAA, but then I can't use xv for videos with composite—or wait, I turned off composite anyways, so I don't know why I'm using it actually.)

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