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#76 2004-09-16 10:15:38

tpowa
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From: Lauingen , Germany
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Re: kde menu

new xorg in combi with kdebase-3 kdelibs-3 should solve the issues
wihtout patching any other file

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#77 2004-09-16 19:04:21

Abaddon
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Re: kde menu

Hehe, great smile Will you make package with xorg 6.8.1? wink And new xapps ;p


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#78 2004-09-17 05:43:07

tpowa
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Re: kde menu

i instantly hope that kde doesn't need a rebuild with new xorg
because it's a security release
it takes 1 day to recompile on my machine
i think full support of the new xorg features are introduced in 3.3.1 or later, but i don't know
there is a patch on kde-apps.org but xcompr is too experimental right now
kuickshow is broken with the new extensions etc.

you can modifiy my builds and report if you get it working without any problems i'm open for everything

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#79 2004-09-18 09:13:52

dtw
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Re: kde menu

tpowa - are you the KDE maintain?  If you are i am extremely angry with you cos your fix for kde - the kde.sh script - breaks the path to the mime database which is also a freedesktop standard.  This breaks rox.

I just spent hours trying to figuire this out and as it had occured after a package upgrade i reinstalled some risky packages and risked breaking a lot! 

i found out why it was broken by chance - i ran this:

[root:heaton] : update-mime-database /usr/share/mime
***
* Updating MIME database in /usr/share/mime...
***

Note that '/usr/share' is not in the search path
set by the XDG_DATA_HOME and XDG_DATA_DIRS
environment variables, so applications may not
be able to find it until you set them. The
directories currently searched are:

- /root/.local/share
- /opt/kde/share

that pretty much explains it. i didn't have much luck with altering the path stuff so i had to symlink /usr/share/mime tp /opt/kde/share that works.

am very, very angry!  :evil:

p.s. but i don't hold grudges

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#80 2004-09-18 10:34:44

IceRAM
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Re: kde menu

Err.. are you sure you've upgraded your KDE packages to the latest ones?
That behavious is specific to the broken packages.

what does

echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS

show you?

Mine:

# echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
/opt/gnome/share:/opt/kde/share:/usr/share

I also have a patched gnome.sh installed (just until the new gnome is out)

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#81 2004-09-18 10:55:06

tpowa
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Re: kde menu

me show the same as ICERAM
export shows:
XDG_CACHE_HOME="/home/tobias/.cache"
declare -x XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/opt/kde/etc/xdg:/etc/xdg"
declare -x XDG_CONFIG_HOME="/home/tobias/.config"
declare -x XDG_DATA_DIRS=":/opt/gnome/share/:/usr/share:/opt/kde/share:/usr/share"
declare -x XDG_DATA_HOME="/home/tobias/.local/share"
declare -x XDM_MANAGED=

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#82 2004-09-18 20:33:46

dtw
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Re: kde menu

this is from the latest kdelibs, right? 3.3.0-3

i didn't restart but if tpowa script does what it looks like it should just append the kde dirs to the path anyway, right?  Unless they are empty.  Well, mine appeared to be emptycos when i echoed the paths they only returned those kde dirs - hence my thinking there was a problem - what version of xorg or you both using?  cos i am still on 6.7 - maybe it is related?

no offense to tpowa either - i was just v angry  :?

my paths are now showing

[dibble:heaton] ~: echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
/opt/kde/share:/usr/share

but that is cos i altered the script i think

export KDEDIR=/opt/kde 
export PATH=$PATH:$KDEDIR/bin 
export MANPATH=$MANPATH:$KDEDIR/man 
if [ ! -z $XDG_DATA_DIRS ]; then 
  export XDG_DATA_DIRS=$XDG_DATA_DIRS:$KDEDIR/share:/usr/share 
else 
  export XDG_DATA_DIRS=$KDEDIR/share:/usr/share 
fi 

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#83 2004-09-19 17:16:52

tpowa
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Re: kde menu

you should update to latest xorg
then it works out of the box :-)
arch is a distro where you should update everything
with pacman -Syu because the devels work with the latest too
we have not the manpower to check if everything is backward compatible
and we check it with the newest packages so we can things reproduce

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#84 2004-09-19 20:28:18

dtw
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Re: kde menu

i have to question the movement of xorg 6.8 to stable then, seeing as so many people have had probs with it and have decided to remain with 6.7

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#85 2004-09-19 20:46:56

tpowa
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Re: kde menu

if you decide to stay with 6.7 it's your decission but
you have to stay with your packages that are dated before the release of new xorg else it will cause errors
there are some major changes in the new xorg package

then you can't use the bug tracker for such issues
because we work with the latest available packages and we will not check for backward compatibility

the new xorg contains a xorg.sh which also set environment variables
that's the source of your errors

please don't blame me for things that are solved by new available packages ;-)
else it may happen that i'll get angry ;-)

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#86 2004-09-19 20:56:12

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Re: kde menu

Just to reiterate what tpowa is saying.

You can't expect fixes to be rolled in retro-actively.  If you use an older version of a package and a fix has been applied to a newer version that you don't want to upgrade to, it's your responsibility to make those changes to your local copy.

Also, if you submit a bug report using an older version of one of the packages the dev will ask you to upgrade your system to see if it's already been fixed.  As it stands, we have no way of supporting older versions of packages.


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#87 2004-09-19 21:12:08

dtw
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Re: kde menu

fair enough - in that case the package that supplies the kde script should depend on xorg version greater than or equal to the xorg package that supplied the xorg script - if that had been the case i would have known i had to upgrade xorg to get it to work and would not have filed a bug report.

doing pacman -Sy frequently is implicit in the process but i think we can all understand peoples reluctance to do multiple downloads of a 50mb+ package on a 56k modem while the maintainer figures out what is up.

xorg and the kde packages were moved to stable too hastily - yes people should be testing them and people aren't - i don't think that is a very strong arguement tho - things should stay in testing until they have been tested.

the abs/pacman system has features that reduce the possibility of failed dependencies and a user cannot be blamed if the maintainer is not utilizing them and is therefore having dependency issues.

basically i am not the only one at fault.

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#88 2004-10-17 13:57:16

aha
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Re: kde menu

Hi,

I installed xorg and kde

there were no menu items in kde.

In my search to fix it I followed this post.

I even copied xorg.sh and kde.sh scripts provided in the post but nothing helped...

then I being new to Arch, just tried a silly solution

#ln -s /opt/kde/share/applnk ~/.kde/share/applnk

and thats it ... I got all the kde menus and can keep my xorg :-)


~ Aha ~

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#89 2005-01-17 21:12:46

orelien
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Re: kde menu

For people having issues with the KDE K menu, please have a look at : http://archlinux.org/news.php#131, or consult the bugtracker (task #2028).
The issue should be now fixed with libxfce4util 4.2.0-2.

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