linux info pages [EDITED]

z4ziggy · 2004-10-31 07:11:26

yes, i know Arch is a stripped down distro with no info pages. but is there a good site to show those lost infos? cause for example, 'man grub' gives the most shortest information and says The full documentation for grub is maintained as a Texinfo manual...

tnx.

[EDIT]
tnx to skeeterbug here is a web info pages, for all us Arch users :
http://www.gnu.org/manual/manual.html

neotuli · 2004-10-31 16:58:12

http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual … index.html

z4ziggy · 2004-10-31 17:39:25

yea, tnx, i googled too and found lots of info about grub. however, my question is, is there a web place to gather all the info pages of major programs so i wont need to google for each program if i want its info pages? or ever better - can i choose to install the info pages on Arch without compiling my own packages (thus including the info pages on the installation process).

thanks.

rehcra · 2004-10-31 20:12:45

I cannot understand why info documentation is stripped. Arch is not a minimalistic distribution like crux.

Is the lack of good documentation (including info) a neccessary feature of Arch?

z4ziggy · 2004-10-31 20:21:14

Judd wrote:

Things that are relatively unused (by me, anyway) are not kept (info-pages, for example)

neotuli · 2004-10-31 20:24:05

rehcra wrote:

I cannot understand why info documentation is stripped. Arch is not a minimalistic distribution like crux.
Is the lack of good documentation (including info) a neccessary feature of Arch?

This is the way arch is meant to be, as z4ziggy aluded to earlier. See http://www.archlinux.org/docs/en/guide/ … tml#whatis

Install Guide wrote:

In it's goal to be simple and lightweight, the relatively useless portions of a linux system have been left out, things like /usr/doc and the info pages. In my own personal experience these are rarely used, and the equivalent information can be obtained from the net if need be. Manpages all the way...

rehcra · 2004-10-31 20:30:59

IMHO, info is useful.
Libc documentation is really nice.

If Arch wants not to include info pages, it shouldn't also include man pages.
This is because each argument against info pages applies to man pages too and each argument for man pages applies to info pages as well. :evil:

I really love info pages! Should I leave Arch because of them? :cry:

neotuli · 2004-10-31 20:33:37

rehcra wrote:

I really love info pages! Should I leave Arch because of them? :cry:

No one really cares what the hell you do.

rehcra · 2004-10-31 20:39:52

neotuli wrote:

No one really cares what the hell you do.

Who cares what what Arch users do?
Why isn't there a package with info files :?:

skeeterbug · 2004-10-31 21:00:17

rehcra wrote:

Why isn't there a package with info files :?:

Make one

z4ziggy · 2004-10-31 21:50:35

well, each package has its own info files, therefor i doubt u can create a separate info package - unless you recompile every damn package u install (someone said Gentoo? :?) or maybe hope that a new parameter in PKGBUILD will install info pages to a separate package... this ofcourse will create tons of problems since u will get a complete info package of ALL Arch packages, even if u don't have all those packages installed... thats the only solution i see anyway...

gluck

phrakture · 2004-10-31 23:39:44

rehcra wrote:

If Arch wants not to include info pages, it shouldn't also include man pages.
This is because each argument against info pages applies to man pages too and each argument for man pages applies to info pages as well.

Except for the arguement from Judd that says (I will paraphrase):

I use man alot, and don't use info - that's why i didn't include it

rehcra, seriously - every post I see from you now is negative - Arch may not fit your niche. I'm not being mean, I'm being honest - try shopping around for a new distro.

z4ziggy · 2004-11-01 00:50:28

i just think rehcra is still looking for his "perfect distro" (no disrespect rehcra), and lets face it - Arch aint perfect... but overall, its the best one imho anyway... but i can totally understand rehcra - he has a vision in his mind about what he expects from his linux distro, and he probably aint getting it here... maybe another distro will fit him better - debian is a great distro too, apt-get is next to pacman ( 8) ), and u customize it just as u would with Arch or any other linux... so maybe....?

rehcra · 2004-11-01 04:54:08

z4ziggy wrote:

i just think rehcra is still looking for his "perfect distro" (no disrespect rehcra), and lets face it - Arch aint perfect... but overall, its the best one imho anyway... but i can totally understand rehcra - he has a vision in his mind about what he expects from his linux distro, and he probably aint getting it here... maybe another distro will fit him better - debian is a great distro too, apt-get is next to pacman ( 8) ), and u customize it just as u would with Arch or any other linux... so maybe....?

I wouldn't find better words to express what I want.
AFAIK, there is NO distribution which would suit me better than Arch.
I won't give a try to a distro with non-bleeding-edge packages.
I hope my next post will be positive (there were some, weren't there?)

mak · 2004-11-01 11:45:38

hiho.

...than i guess someone ELSE is jammering @osnews, about _missing_ info-pages ?

http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_ … =no#297822

...whatever.mak.

skeeterbug · 2004-11-01 11:56:17

Arch is a great distro but as with all things Linux if there's something you don't like, fix it. It's fairly easy to build a lfs system and you learn a lot in the process (at least I did). I came over to arch because I see a lot of the advantages of lfs but most of the distro is premade and maintained by others.

As for the info pages, I'd like to have them too but if I ever decide that it's important I'll find a way to work it. In other words I'll add to the distro locally to meet my needs rather than expecting the distro to change for a small minority of users. This distro isn't a democratic effort, we have a benevolent dictator in Judd and his trusted advisory panel who make these decisions. If > 70% or so of the users asked for the info pages I'm sure they'd be willing to entertain the idea.

Anyway, I like rehcra's posts; they almost always elicit a lively response

z4ziggy · 2004-11-01 12:06:24

lol

i totally agree. however, it would be nice if someone will actually answer my initial post/question - where can one find info pages on the web? :oops:

skeeterbug · 2004-11-01 12:13:20

Heh, I guess we did get a bit sidetracked - try this, I don't know if it's exactly what you're looking for but...

http://www.lns.cornell.edu/public/COMP/info/

z4ziggy · 2004-11-01 12:28:11

YES! excellent. tnx man. i think more pages like this (it is not complete, nor i can expect any page to be complete since info pages are depended upon a package list ) should be a great post for ppl interested in "the lost Arch info pages"...

skeeterbug · 2004-11-01 12:43:22

Hey, I found one that might be even better:
http://www.gnu.org/manual/manual.html
Straight from the source.

z4ziggy · 2004-11-01 12:52:23

w00t! u r the man! the man!

tnx a lot dude, mind just telling me how u found it? google-secret-keywords or something

and for the rest of us - ok Judd, u off the hook we got it on html

skeeterbug · 2004-11-01 13:04:11

8) i am the googlemeister

Really though, I just searched for 'gnu info pages' on google, it's the first and fourth results. I think adding 'gnu' to the search is the term that did it since 'info pages' and 'online info pages' are no good.

z4ziggy · 2004-11-01 13:09:22

/me goes back again to learn searching rules at http://searchlores.org/ ... :oops:

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