Arch is too simple

techprophet · 2009-08-25 15:37:49

Arch is so simple it defies bugginess!! I haven't had to do anything but run pacman -Syu to maintain this thing for the past year!! What is the world coming too???

I even ran the pacman roulette and nothing (visible) broke!!

So....anyone got any scripts that need writing?

Bralkein · 2009-08-25 16:57:55

If you miss buggyness you can always install VirtualBox and run Windows in a VM. Oh, I went there! Nah Windows is fine or whatever.

P.S. Maximum respect to the MoO2 avatar! Darlocks for life bro

kowalski · 2009-08-25 16:58:32

You could write a plugin for pidgin that inserts the number of unread messages into the status bar of wmii :-)
That's what I'm planning to do as soon as I have some spare time.

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Zariel · 2009-08-25 17:01:20

sudo pacman -Rd zlib

DSpider · 2009-08-25 17:50:26

Really ? I even encountered bugs when setting up a PPPoE connection. I couldn't use the backspace key when typing in my username and password. Instead it ADDED garbage lile A^_ D"| F*... And errors galore. It didn't recognize the reboot command, ctrl-alt-del wasn't working and so on. http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=78804

Don't tell me it's simple. It ain't.

Or is it just me and need to learn more about the way it works ?

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arch0r · 2009-08-25 17:53:46

hmm, i update once a week and the system is running soo smooth. u only have to read the news on the homepage and pacman's output and you won't break anything :>

never touch a running arch, and it will run for ever ...

cerbie · 2009-08-25 19:25:41

techprophet wrote:

Arch is so simple it defies bugginess!! I haven't had to do anything but run pacman -Syu to maintain this thing for the past year!! What is the world coming too???

Have you updated Xorg? That always breaks on my laptop, and Xorg won't work without xorg.conf. Arch doesn't make it hard to fix, though (almost every time, I can Google the error and get hundreds of hits on exactly my problem across many distros and varied hardware...I guess users make good testers?).

VoodooSteve · 2009-08-25 19:29:55

techprophet wrote:

Arch is so simple it defies bugginess!! I haven't had to do anything but run pacman -Syu to maintain this thing for the past year!! What is the world coming too???
I even ran the pacman roulette and nothing (visible) broke!!
So....anyone got any scripts that need writing?

Why not try running [testing]?

Crows · 2009-08-25 19:34:58

The only frequently break-inducing packages are new kernels and xorg/drivers and they're only a problem if you have certain hardware.

If, like me, you don't have an intel card, an ati card or some exotic laptop you're good for 99% of all updates.

And a buggy package isn't really the fault of the Arch devs. Unlike Ubuntu, which patches everything constantly, us Arch uses get pretty much the vanilla sources. Personally, that's the way I like it.

weakhead · 2009-08-25 19:38:03

Damn, I've noticed this too. Arch itself is super stable and boring - that makes it perfect distribution for developer or artist. No surprises.
Of course there are some packages that could be even more stable, but they are beyond Arch (for example: Thunar - sometimes it kills itself when you do "empty trash").

But seriously - keep doing good job. Arch is superb.

XFire · 2009-08-25 20:03:12

weakhead wrote:

But seriously - keep doing good job. Arch is superb.

What he said.

Acecero · 2009-08-25 20:09:19

Nothing is ever perfect and that's why there is always room to improve, given that Arch is rolling release.

majiq · 2009-08-26 00:19:13

I agree that Arch is too simple. But from the KISS standpoint, I mean. I can't do anything now without conforming to the KISS philosophy to the point where if something's really complicated I just get irritated with it and don't bother.

Arch has made me too lazy to deal with stupidity.

Acecero · 2009-08-26 00:32:06

majiq wrote:

I agree that Arch is too simple. But from the KISS standpoint, I mean. I can't do anything now without conforming to the KISS philosophy to the point where if something's really complicated I just get irritated with it and don't bother.
Arch has made me too lazy to deal with stupidity.

You make it sound like it's a bad thing?

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techprophet · 2009-08-26 01:33:42

VoodooSteve wrote:

Why not try running [testing]?

I am.

The pidgin wmii thing sounds interesting. I think I might have wmii installed somewhere....

Bralkein wrote:

If you miss buggyness you can always install VirtualBox and run Windows in a VM. Oh, I went there! Nah Windows is fine or whatever.
P.S. Maximum respect to the MoO2 avatar! Darlocks for life bro

I actually have a windows install for gaming.

You are the only person that has noticed my avatar! You did spell Darlok wrong though...

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Acecero wrote:

majiq wrote:
I agree that Arch is too simple. But from the KISS standpoint, I mean. I can't do anything now without conforming to the KISS philosophy to the point where if something's really complicated I just get irritated with it and don't bother.
Arch has made me too lazy to deal with stupidity.
You make it sound like it's a bad thing?

CS101: Programming is for lazy people. We have the computer do our work for us!

Last edited by techprophet (2009-08-26 01:39:20)

kowalski · 2009-08-26 15:58:59

techprohet: I just had a look at how to do this and was excited to see that most of the work has been covered by the tutorial-like plugins coming with pidgin source code. If you still are interested see libpurple/plugins/signals-test.c
It's just a matter of having the already given callbacks writing to wmiir (system("wmiir xwrite /rbar/WHATEVER some_static_counter")) and resetting it when the pidgin window gets focus or the bar is clicked or something.

techprophet · 2009-08-26 16:37:53

kowalski wrote:

techprohet: I just had a look at how to do this and was excited to see that most of the work has been covered by the tutorial-like plugins coming with pidgin source code. If you still are interested see libpurple/plugins/signals-test.c
It's just a matter of having the already given callbacks writing to wmiir (system("wmiir xwrite /rbar/WHATEVER some_static_counter")) and resetting it when the pidgin window gets focus or the bar is clicked or something.

Yeah, I was going to do it with Perl (because I like perl) but the API docs for that are sorely lacking. So C is definately the way to go on this. Almost got it done

kowalski · 2009-08-26 17:27:15

Sign me up for beta-testing
Btw: maybe you should open up a new thread when you're done, so we don't spam up this one.

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ataraxia · 2009-08-26 18:44:02

Acecero wrote:

majiq wrote:
I agree that Arch is too simple. But from the KISS standpoint, I mean. I can't do anything now without conforming to the KISS philosophy to the point where if something's really complicated I just get irritated with it and don't bother.
Arch has made me too lazy to deal with stupidity.
You make it sound like it's a bad thing?

It's happening to me too, and given that my job is mostly about dealing with things other people won't (stupid or otherwise)... Yes, it's a bad thing, since it makes me suck at my job.

pommes_ · 2009-08-26 18:47:39

Same problem here, it just keeps running and running, I already start to forget bash commands. Somehow it seems arch is the perfect system for all the lazy people.

s3kt0r · 2009-08-27 00:08:59

I think I'm going to forget some steps of the install process.

chender · 2009-08-27 00:58:06

I actually got semi organised when I installed last month, and kept detailed notes from DVD through to fully running. I starte with xfce4 on my thinkpad x60s, but since moved to lxde/openbox and all is smooth sailing. Pacman is superb and as someone said above always read the outputs.

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