Old machine, No sensors?

securitybreach · 2009-09-16 04:19:44

I have an older machine that I currently have running headless with only ssh access. Anyway I am trying to get lm_sensors setup but I am getting an error when restarting /etc/rc.d/sensors:

[root@Mercury comhack]# /etc/rc.d/sensors restart
:: Shutting Down Sensors                                                                                                 [DONE] 
:: Starting Up Sensors                                                                                                   [BUSY] No sensors found!
Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need.
Try sensors-detect to find out which these are.
                                                                                                                         [FAIL] 
[root@Mercury comhack]#

Here is my sensors-detect output with no errors:

[root@Mercury comhack]# sensors-detect 
# sensors-detect revision 5729 (2009-06-02 15:51:29 +0200)
# System: Dell Computer Corporation Dimension 4550

This program will help you determine which kernel modules you need
to load to use lm_sensors most effectively. It is generally safe
and recommended to accept the default answers to all questions,
unless you know what you're doing.

Some south bridges, CPUs or memory controllers contain embedded sensors.
Do you want to scan for them? This is totally safe. (YES/no): yes
Silicon Integrated Systems SIS5595...                       No
VIA VT82C686 Integrated Sensors...                          No
VIA VT8231 Integrated Sensors...                            No
AMD K8 thermal sensors...                                   No
AMD K10 thermal sensors...                                  No
Intel Core family thermal sensor...                         No
Intel AMB FB-DIMM thermal sensor...                         No
VIA C7 thermal and voltage sensors...                       No

Some Super I/O chips contain embedded sensors. We have to write to
standard I/O ports to probe them. This is usually safe.
Do you want to scan for Super I/O sensors? (YES/no):      
Probing for Super-I/O at 0x2e/0x2f
Trying family `National Semiconductor'...                   No
Trying family `SMSC'...                                     Yes
Found `SMSC LPC47M10x/112/13x Super IO Fan Sensors'         Success!
    (address 0xc00, driver `smsc47m1')
Probing for Super-I/O at 0x4e/0x4f
Trying family `National Semiconductor'...                   No
Trying family `SMSC'...                                     No
Trying family `VIA/Winbond/Fintek'...                       No
Trying family `ITE'...                                      No

Some systems (mainly servers) implement IPMI, a set of common interfaces
through which system health data may be retrieved, amongst other things.
We first try to get the information from SMBIOS. If we don't find it
there, we have to read from arbitrary I/O ports to probe for such
interfaces. This is normally safe. Do you want to scan for IPMI
interfaces? (YES/no): 
Probing for `IPMI BMC KCS' at 0xca0...                      No
Probing for `IPMI BMC SMIC' at 0xca8...                     No

Some hardware monitoring chips are accessible through the ISA I/O ports.
We have to write to arbitrary I/O ports to probe them. This is usually
safe though. Yes, you do have ISA I/O ports even if you do not have any
ISA slots! Do you want to scan the ISA I/O ports? (yes/NO): yes
Probing for `National Semiconductor LM78' at 0x290...       No
Probing for `National Semiconductor LM79' at 0x290...       No
Probing for `Winbond W83781D' at 0x290...                   No
Probing for `Winbond W83782D' at 0x290...                   No

Lastly, we can probe the I2C/SMBus adapters for connected hardware
monitoring devices. This is the most risky part, and while it works
reasonably well on most systems, it has been reported to cause trouble
on some systems.
[root@Mercury comhack]# sensors-detect 
# sensors-detect revision 5729 (2009-06-02 15:51:29 +0200)
# System: Dell Computer Corporation Dimension 4550

This program will help you determine which kernel modules you need
to load to use lm_sensors most effectively. It is generally safe
and recommended to accept the default answers to all questions,
unless you know what you're doing.

Some south bridges, CPUs or memory controllers contain embedded sensors.
Do you want to scan for them? This is totally safe. (YES/no): 
Silicon Integrated Systems SIS5595...                       No
VIA VT82C686 Integrated Sensors...                          No
VIA VT8231 Integrated Sensors...                            No
AMD K8 thermal sensors...                                   No
AMD K10 thermal sensors...                                  No
Intel Core family thermal sensor...                         No
Intel AMB FB-DIMM thermal sensor...                         No
VIA C7 thermal and voltage sensors...                       No

Some Super I/O chips contain embedded sensors. We have to write to
standard I/O ports to probe them. This is usually safe.
Do you want to scan for Super I/O sensors? (YES/no): 
Probing for Super-I/O at 0x2e/0x2f
Trying family `National Semiconductor'...                   No
Trying family `SMSC'...                                     Yes
Found `SMSC LPC47M10x/112/13x Super IO Fan Sensors'         Success!
    (address 0xc00, driver `smsc47m1')
Probing for Super-I/O at 0x4e/0x4f
Trying family `National Semiconductor'...                   No
Trying family `SMSC'...                                     No
Trying family `VIA/Winbond/Fintek'...                       No
Trying family `ITE'...                                      No

Some systems (mainly servers) implement IPMI, a set of common interfaces
through which system health data may be retrieved, amongst other things.
We first try to get the information from SMBIOS. If we don't find it
there, we have to read from arbitrary I/O ports to probe for such
interfaces. This is normally safe. Do you want to scan for IPMI
interfaces? (YES/no): 
Probing for `IPMI BMC KCS' at 0xca0...                      No
Probing for `IPMI BMC SMIC' at 0xca8...                     No

Some hardware monitoring chips are accessible through the ISA I/O ports.
We have to write to arbitrary I/O ports to probe them. This is usually
safe though. Yes, you do have ISA I/O ports even if you do not have any
ISA slots! Do you want to scan the ISA I/O ports? (yes/NO): yes
Probing for `National Semiconductor LM78' at 0x290...       No
Probing for `National Semiconductor LM79' at 0x290...       No
Probing for `Winbond W83781D' at 0x290...                   No
Probing for `Winbond W83782D' at 0x290...                   No

Lastly, we can probe the I2C/SMBus adapters for connected hardware
monitoring devices. This is the most risky part, and while it works
reasonably well on most systems, it has been reported to cause trouble
on some systems.
Do you want to probe the I2C/SMBus adapters now? (YES/no): 
Using driver `i2c-i801' for device 0000:00:1f.3: Intel 82801DB ICH4
Module i2c-dev loaded successfully.

Next adapter: SMBus I801 adapter at dc80 (i2c-0)
Do you want to scan it? (YES/no/selectively): 
Client found at address 0x50
Probing for `Analog Devices ADM1033'...                     No
Probing for `Analog Devices ADM1034'...                     No
Probing for `SPD EEPROM'...                                 Yes
    (confidence 8, not a hardware monitoring chip)
Probing for `EDID EEPROM'...                                No
Client found at address 0x51
Probing for `Analog Devices ADM1033'...                     No
Probing for `Analog Devices ADM1034'...                     No
Probing for `SPD EEPROM'...                                 Yes
    (confidence 8, not a hardware monitoring chip)

Now follows a summary of the probes I have just done.
Just press ENTER to continue: 

Driver `smsc47m1':
  * ISA bus, address 0xc00
    Chip `SMSC LPC47M10x/112/13x Super IO Fan Sensors' (confidence: 9)

Do you want to overwrite /etc/conf.d/lm_sensors? (YES/no): 
Copy prog/init/lm_sensors.init to /etc/rc.d/lm_sensors
for initialization at boot time.
You should now start the lm_sensors service to load the required
kernel modules.

Unloading i2c-dev... OK

The machine is an Dell Dimension 4550:

Linux Mercury 2.6.30-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Sep 9 12:37:32 UTC 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[root@Mercury comhack]# lspci 
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 01)Linux Mercury 2.6.30-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Sep 9 12:37:32 UTC 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[root@Mercury comhack]# lspci 
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 01)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE Host-to-AGP Bridge (rev 01)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 81)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller (rev 01)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 01)
02:01.0 Communication controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. HSF 56k Data/Fax/Voice/Spkp Modem (rev 01)
02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] EMU10k1X
02:02.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] Input device controller
02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 81)

I have tried loading the module smsc47m1, restarting sensors, and rebooting. but I am getting nowhere. I have setup lm_sensors on many machine without any troubles whatsoever. Maybe it is possible the machine has no sensors? Anyone got any ideals or starting points? I have searched the forum already and have found similar threads but they were things like people forgetting to start sensors and such.

Thanks

Last edited by securitybreach (2009-09-22 14:16:37)

nTia89 · 2009-09-17 09:33:23

strange

sensors-detect

have detected some thing , like FAN , EEPROM abd CPU sensors
and then you MUST see AT LEAST cpu temp

try run

sensors-detect

as ROOT

securitybreach · 2009-09-17 12:47:16

The first post was as root. The script only runs as root user.

Thanks

nTia89 · 2009-09-17 15:25:08

securitybreach wrote:

The first post was as root. The script only runs as root user.
Thanks

then ...

rebugger · 2009-09-17 16:57:24

i have a dell optiplex gx620 and i'm not sure if it has sensors... sensor-detect doesn't find any. Could be a dell thing?

nTia89 · 2009-09-17 17:21:02

DELL have proprietary sensors
but i think lm_sensors should , MUST find ever the CPU sensor , indipendent from mainboard

byte · 2009-09-17 17:37:44

dmesg?

securitybreach · 2009-09-17 20:36:20

This is why I normally build my own machines. I got this one for free otherwise I would not have a prebuilt desktop machine.

Thanks

securitybreach · 2009-09-22 14:18:11

Bump!

Still wanting some sensors, at least the processor. If this machine truly has no sensors then I do not know WTF Dell was thinking when they designed this system. In 16 years of computing, this would be the first machine I have ran across with no sensors at all, no even a processor. I can not even get the temperature of the processor, this is ridiculous.

Thanks

Last edited by securitybreach (2009-09-22 14:22:37)

graysky · 2009-09-22 20:16:50

Hmm... does a P4 have temp sensors? I have on OLD P2-450 MHz that doesn't have a single sensor that I can remember. Even my old 800 MHz Athlon has some sensors. With Dell or Gateway you never know, particularly if either uses their proprietary M/B's. Have you tried googling for your specific model?

EDIT: seems like you're not the only one to report a lack of sensors on this hardware

http://www.lm-sensors.org/ticket/1807
http://www.google.com/search?q=Dell+Dim … +lm-sensor

Last edited by graysky (2009-09-22 20:17:44)

securitybreach · 2009-09-22 20:38:19

Thanks for the information.

Thanks

Ashren · 2009-09-22 20:39:42

I have a Dell Dimension 8300 and it supposedly has no sensors (that can be read by software) according to Dell support forum. I find this hard to believe, since I can clearly hear the fan speed go up when the CPU is working hard.

I haven't found any way to read the temps on that computer (which is annoying), but it seems to work perfectly. I'm following this thread closely.

graysky · 2009-09-22 20:43:55

Horrible suggestion but here goes, install windows on a scrap HDD (or in a VM) and see if you can use a util such as hwmonitor to get any readings from the box.

Ashren · 2009-09-22 20:49:54

graysky wrote:

Horrible suggestion but here goes, install windows on a scrap HDD (or in a VM) and see if you can use a util such as hwmonitor to get any readings from the box.

I tried installing XP on my Dimension 8300 and got no readings whatsoever from all the different types of monitoring software I could find, which seems to be the accepted standard according to google. Not saying that this applies to Optiplex as well.

securitybreach · 2009-09-25 13:54:37

graysky wrote:

Horrible suggestion but here goes, install windows on a scrap HDD (or in a VM) and see if you can use a util such as hwmonitor to get any readings from the box.

Thanks but I would rather not. Having no sensors would be better than installing Windows IMHO.

Thanks

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Old machine, No sensors?

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