Gnome 2.30 is in the repos... tips/tricks/issues?

syms · 2010-04-07 15:37:12

the evince sidebar bug annoys me very much. i will stay with kde, because it just works.

fabertawe · 2010-04-07 15:38:50

Ok... I knew I shouldn't have upgraded Gnome. I thought yesterday "that went far too smoothly..." Now today I've had a huge number of "Starting Nautilus..." spawn in the window list, followed by both cores maxed out and lots and lots of this...

(nautilus:5410): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)

(nautilus:5410): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.

I found a few references online to the DBus warning with only a few vague possible fixes along the lines of "it could be related to Brasero or gstreamer (bad/ugly)". Anyway... I removed Nautilus and all it's dependents and re-installed and so far it's working, thankfully.

moljac024 wrote:

MrWeatherbee wrote:
moljac024 wrote:
Really? Well it doesn't work for me. I tried deleting all it's configs and reinstalling and it still doesn't work. The actions just don't appear.
Oh man, I'm really getting sick of this crap...
I didn't mean to imply that since it works for me, it must work for everybody.
I've got 8 active actions and 4 inactive actions. The active ones appear as they should in Nautilus (in the proper context) and the inactive ones only appear
in the nautilus-actions editor (in the new version they appear red to indicate inactive status).
You're right. I noticed it was colored red. Whichever action I add it is red and doesn't appear in the context menu. It doesn't appear in the toolbar if I set that option too. So I have no idea what's going on. But I'm certain it's not supposed to be like this. Nautilus actions look completely broken to me.
I'm seriously going to ditch as many gnome apps as I can. Something breaks with every update...

I feel your pain I have the same issue with Nautilus-Actions. Most are listed in red despite being activated. I've tried fiddling with it and even compiled it myself but to no avail. I'm going to try re-implementing a few from scratch (I really mean copy and paste). I found out exporting does work but only by drag and drop.

max.bra · 2010-04-07 18:27:13

fabertawe wrote:

Ok... I knew I shouldn't have upgraded Gnome. I thought yesterday "that went far too smoothly..." Now today I've had a huge number of "Starting Nautilus..." spawn in the window list, followed by both cores maxed out and lots and lots of this...
(nautilus:5410): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)

(nautilus:5410): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
I found a few references online to the DBus warning with only a few vague possible fixes along the lines of "it could be related to Brasero or gstreamer (bad/ugly)". Anyway... I removed Nautilus and all it's dependents and re-installed and so far it's working, thankfully.
moljac024 wrote:
MrWeatherbee wrote:
I didn't mean to imply that since it works for me, it must work for everybody.
I've got 8 active actions and 4 inactive actions. The active ones appear as they should in Nautilus (in the proper context) and the inactive ones only appear
in the nautilus-actions editor (in the new version they appear red to indicate inactive status).
You're right. I noticed it was colored red. Whichever action I add it is red and doesn't appear in the context menu. It doesn't appear in the toolbar if I set that option too. So I have no idea what's going on. But I'm certain it's not supposed to be like this. Nautilus actions look completely broken to me.
I'm seriously going to ditch as many gnome apps as I can. Something breaks with every update...
I feel your pain I have the same issue with Nautilus-Actions. Most are listed in red despite being activated. I've tried fiddling with it and even compiled it myself but to no avail. I'm going to try re-implementing a few from scratch (I really mean copy and paste). I found out exporting does work but only by drag and drop.

in my personal experience, the new Nautilus-actions handle entries as inactive when the action is not a full path command.
by entering a full path, the item is re-enabled.
hope this is usefull for you all.

confirmed that export is not functional

MrWeatherbee · 2010-04-07 18:55:41

fabertawe wrote:

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I feel your pain I have the same issue with Nautilus-Actions. Most are listed in red despite being activated. I've tried fiddling with it and even compiled it myself but to no avail. I'm going to try re-implementing a few from scratch (I really mean copy and paste). I found out exporting does work but only by drag and drop.

The most probable cause (in my mind) for actions that unintentionally became inactive after the upgrade is that those actions have some 'syntax' or 'feature' that was refactored in the new version of Nautilus-Actions and thus makes actions that previously worked not work anymore.

I guess I was lucky as all my (desired) active actions stayed active. However, I initially thought that the red color indicated 'inactive' (or disabled) because all the ones that were red were ones I had previously (pre-upgrade) deliberately de-activated. But ... when I enabled the red ones, they stayed red. Why? Well, it just so happens that all the ones I had disabled were disabled because I removed the application that they relied on (in this case they were archiving actions that relied on 'xarchiver'), and they could no longer be used (I didn't want to delete them, however). It turns out these were red because no such command (e.g., 'xarchiver -d') could be found by Nautilus-Actions. I am almost 100% sure that all the xarchiver-related actions worked in the previous version of Nautilus-Actions before I uninstalled 'xarchiver', and in all those cases I only provided the application name and options for the Nautilus-Actions command ... I did not provide the full path.

To test what would happen in the new version if I did not provide the full path in a command, I created a new action with only the application name and options (using an application known to be installed and known to be in the system path), and sure enough, the action remained red. Additionally, the action did not appear in the Nautilus context menu. Only after the full path was provided did the action name appear in black font coloring and appear in the Nautilus context menu.

So, now it seems that red doesn't indicate that an action is deliberately disabled, but that there is an error in the action coding, specifically per my less-than-thorough-testing, an error indicating that the command cannot be found.

Perhaps this may be an issue for you guys where you didn't previously provide the full path and things worked, but now you need to provide the full path.

EDIT
max.bra beat me to it. There was no response when I started the post and I got distracted a couple of times while composing the post. I should have checked to see if there was a new related response before hitting the submit button. Sorry. And thanks max.bra.

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fabertawe · 2010-04-08 09:15:45

max.bra wrote:

in my personal experience, the new Nautilus-actions handle entries as inactive when the action is not a full path command

This is indeed the problem, thanks very much (also to MrWeatherbee) I really should have thought to try that.

NA's editor is proving to be rather flakey in it's current incarnation, it often dies here for no apparent reason. At least I've got my beloved functionality back in Nautilus though, cheers! It's literally only Nautilus keeping me on Gnome at this point.

moljac024 · 2010-04-08 13:22:06

Yes, it does indeed work with full path. Thank you very much!

Now, anyone know why this would be necessary all of a sudden?
Is it a bug or feature?

MrWeatherbee · 2010-04-08 13:39:07

moljac024 wrote:

Yes, it does indeed work with full path. Thank you very much!
Now, anyone know why this would be necessary all of a sudden?
Is it a bug or feature?

Not sure. My guess was that they were trying to implement some sanity checks and instead of checking valid full path or system path when no full path is provided, they only check the former and bail. Obviously, if you're going to bother with such code, it ought to include both.

The only other really annoying behavior I've noted (so far) that didn't happen before is that saving actions shuts down all instances of Nautilus. In this case, I guess it's possible that changes in Gnome or the new features in Nautilus-Actions requires that Nautilus be restarted before actions can be used, but it's pretty heavy-fisted to just close all your Nautilus windows without at least prompting.

Edit:
Just to clarify my previous post, all the actions that I had enabled were driven by scripts (bash, python, perl) that were not located in the system path, thus I had to provide the full path (even for the previous NA version) which made them compatible with the new version.

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fabertawe · 2010-04-08 14:35:16

MrWeatherbee wrote:

My guess was that they were trying to implement some sanity checks and instead of checking valid full path or system path when no full path is provided, they only check the former and bail. Obviously, if you're going to bother with such code, it ought to include both.

Well I suppose it's "good practice" to use the full path but then again we also have "$PATH" (maybe that's just for lazy people like me )

MrWeatherbee wrote:

Just to clarify my previous post, all the actions that I had enabled were driven by scripts (bash, python, perl) that were not located in the system path, thus I had to provide the full path (even for the previous NA version) which made them compatible with the new version.

Most of mine call xterm.... erm, I mean /usr/bin/xterm with the actual code in the parameters passed. I know, I should use scripts. I'll get round to it at some point.

moljac024 · 2010-04-08 14:40:38

I also had scripts but I put my ~/.bin folder in $PATH, for that reason - to not have to type in the full path everywhere because many of my scripts call upon other scripts etc.

The joke's on me I guess

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PhotonX · 2010-04-09 08:59:40

rawing wrote:

LukynZ wrote:
It happens me again and now I remember what makes it before - I was trying new theme. But after X restart it is again ok. So maybe u use some bad theme?
I've reseted theme to "default" using gconf-editor, but it didn't help.

Concerning the issue with the default theme on startup:

1. The problem appears on the first startup only. If I logout and relogin (via xinit) everything is ok.
2. I'm using fusion-icon to start Compiz (since the way to start it as default window manager is broken after the Gnome 2.30 update). As you know fusion-icon loads the window manager that was selected before the last shut down. Now I've made following observation: If the window manager was set to Compiz then the default theme bug appears, but if it was set to Metacity, it doesn't!

rawing · 2010-04-11 15:34:26

I've disabled launching script of fusion-icon and now it works well.
Thanks, dude

PhotonX · 2010-04-11 17:38:07

And how do you start Compiz now?

edit: Bug seems to be fixed with yesterday's updates!

Last edited by PhotonX (2010-04-12 10:36:51)

Spacenick · 2010-04-12 21:56:35

Anyone found a workaround for samba shares not working, when mounted under GNOME?
EDIT: Nevermind, there seems to be activity upstream so we'll just have to wait

Last edited by Spacenick (2010-04-12 22:04:15)

wonder · 2010-04-12 21:57:07

Spacenick wrote:

Anyone found a workaround for samba shares not working, when mounted under GNOME?

http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/18908

Touba · 2010-04-13 23:06:07

I noticed that when Compiz is enabled my mouse cursor looks as the default one, even though in the preferences it set to a different icon set. Anyone noticed the same? Is it a bug and should be reported?

(Damn, I hate when things brake for no apparent reason. Can't the devs test things before pushing their changes to users? Or even include users opinions in their minds? I'm kind of fed up with Gnome devs. First GDM without a configuration program, but it's 1 year+ they "integrated" it with other Gnome parts and I've still to see a configuration app to change the theme. Now with Gnome 2.30, where's the tab in "Appearances" to set whether you want text with the icons or icons in the menu? Every time I update Gnome to the latest version there's trouble and trouble and trouble.

It's not fair, I don't like any of these things among others but as a user you have to fuck off and stick to the new changes because the devs want it so. Why can't they allow us to choose? I'm with Gnome because I liked how it was, simple, clean, minimalistic; but now... You're only anoyed. I'm seen myself moving to another DE with Gnome 3. If only I could write my own...

P.S.: Sorry for some words used in this comment... they might not be apropriate but I'm on the edge.)

ngoonee · 2010-04-13 23:12:27

Touba wrote:

I noticed that when Compiz is enabled my mouse cursor looks as the default one, even though in the preferences it set to a different icon set. Anyone noticed the same? Is it a bug and should be reported?
(Damn, I hate when things brake for no apparent reason. Can't the devs test things before pushing their changes to users? Or even include users opinions in their minds? I'm kind of fed up with Gnome devs. First GDM without a configuration program, but it's 1 year+ they "integrated" it with other Gnome parts and I've still to see a configuration app to change the theme. Now with Gnome 2.30, where's the tab in "Appearances" to set whether you want text with the icons or icons in the menu? Every time I update Gnome to the latest version there's trouble and trouble and trouble.
It's not fair, I don't like any of these things among others but as a user you have to fuck off and stick to the new changes because the devs want it so. Why can't they allow us to choose? I'm with Gnome because I liked how it was, simple, clean, minimalistic; but now... You're only anoyed. I'm seen myself moving to another DE with Gnome 3. If only I could write my own...
P.S.: Sorry for some words used in this comment... they might not be apropriate but I'm on the edge.)

They write software. For free. Where'd you get this sense of entitlement from? The devs do not owe you anything.

For context, for the dev to 'allow the user to choose' (maintaining legacy behaviour) conservatively takes up at least 3-4 times as much programming effort as just changing the behaviour of the software. Not to mention increasing bugs from increasing code complexity.

jowilkin · 2010-04-14 00:31:29

ngoonee wrote:

Touba wrote:
I noticed that when Compiz is enabled my mouse cursor looks as the default one, even though in the preferences it set to a different icon set. Anyone noticed the same? Is it a bug and should be reported?
(Damn, I hate when things brake for no apparent reason. Can't the devs test things before pushing their changes to users? Or even include users opinions in their minds? I'm kind of fed up with Gnome devs. First GDM without a configuration program, but it's 1 year+ they "integrated" it with other Gnome parts and I've still to see a configuration app to change the theme. Now with Gnome 2.30, where's the tab in "Appearances" to set whether you want text with the icons or icons in the menu? Every time I update Gnome to the latest version there's trouble and trouble and trouble.
It's not fair, I don't like any of these things among others but as a user you have to fuck off and stick to the new changes because the devs want it so. Why can't they allow us to choose? I'm with Gnome because I liked how it was, simple, clean, minimalistic; but now... You're only anoyed. I'm seen myself moving to another DE with Gnome 3. If only I could write my own...
P.S.: Sorry for some words used in this comment... they might not be apropriate but I'm on the edge.)
They write software. For free. Where'd you get this sense of entitlement from? The devs do not owe you anything.
For context, for the dev to 'allow the user to choose' (maintaining legacy behaviour) conservatively takes up at least 3-4 times as much programming effort as just changing the behaviour of the software. Not to mention increasing bugs from increasing code complexity.

Not to mention you need to decide which user to 'allow to chose'. People have different opinions about how software should be set up. One of the features of well designed software is that it does not overwhelm the user with options, it provides sane defaults and allows the tweaking of certain things. If you allow every user to decide what those 'certain things' are that need to be tweaked with options you end up with a bloated mess.

kaivalagi · 2010-04-14 13:01:04

jowilkin wrote:

ngoonee wrote:
Touba wrote:
I noticed that when Compiz is enabled my mouse cursor looks as the default one, even though in the preferences it set to a different icon set. Anyone noticed the same? Is it a bug and should be reported?
(Damn, I hate when things brake for no apparent reason. Can't the devs test things before pushing their changes to users? Or even include users opinions in their minds? I'm kind of fed up with Gnome devs. First GDM without a configuration program, but it's 1 year+ they "integrated" it with other Gnome parts and I've still to see a configuration app to change the theme. Now with Gnome 2.30, where's the tab in "Appearances" to set whether you want text with the icons or icons in the menu? Every time I update Gnome to the latest version there's trouble and trouble and trouble.
It's not fair, I don't like any of these things among others but as a user you have to fuck off and stick to the new changes because the devs want it so. Why can't they allow us to choose? I'm with Gnome because I liked how it was, simple, clean, minimalistic; but now... You're only anoyed. I'm seen myself moving to another DE with Gnome 3. If only I could write my own...
P.S.: Sorry for some words used in this comment... they might not be apropriate but I'm on the edge.)
They write software. For free. Where'd you get this sense of entitlement from? The devs do not owe you anything.
For context, for the dev to 'allow the user to choose' (maintaining legacy behaviour) conservatively takes up at least 3-4 times as much programming effort as just changing the behaviour of the software. Not to mention increasing bugs from increasing code complexity.
Not to mention you need to decide which user to 'allow to chose'. People have different opinions about how software should be set up. One of the features of well designed software is that it does not overwhelm the user with options, it provides sane defaults and allows the tweaking of certain things. If you allow every user to decide what those 'certain things' are that need to be tweaked with options you end up with a bloated mess.

You have to take into account the gnome roadmap and understand where the effort needs to go for devs to achieve the desired milestones. If you want changes the way you want them then get involved with the development yourself and provide more man days effort into the project...if you can't do it and don't want to then all you can do is make suggestions and hope...simples.

If you were using MacOS or Windows would you expect to get what YOU want? No, of course not, the users have zero say in it...atleast with these projects you get to comment and make suggestions that have much more likelihood of being looked at.

Also if you really don't like the system, use another, there are plenty of choices out there for you.

I would like to see all the hard working devs get more recognition (and money!) instead of abuse, that goes for all devs not just gnome ones, without them we would have nothing

Last edited by kaivalagi (2010-04-14 13:03:07)

PhotonX · 2010-04-14 14:40:20

The discussion is quite OT, I think.

b2t: I had the default appearance bug again after yesterday's updates.

tomasiek · 2010-04-15 07:44:40

kaivalagi wrote:

Left or right clicking on the default desktop icons results in a redraw of the icons and nothing else, also if right clicking there is no context menu appearing either. By default icons I mean Computer, Home, Drives and Wastebasket.
Icons from files, folders and shortcuts I've put onto the desktop work as before.

Try to remove all actions from nautilus-actions. It's works for me.
(but how to live without n-a?)

kaivalagi · 2010-04-15 09:59:33

tomasiek wrote:

kaivalagi wrote:
Left or right clicking on the default desktop icons results in a redraw of the icons and nothing else, also if right clicking there is no context menu appearing either. By default icons I mean Computer, Home, Drives and Wastebasket.
Icons from files, folders and shortcuts I've put onto the desktop work as before.
Try to remove all actions from nautilus-actions. It's works for me.
(but how to live without n-a?)

It started working this morning after I'd opened gconf-editor to remove the default desktop icons...maybe just a co-incidence as I did do an system update beforehand.

I have removed the icons from the desktop now anyway, as I am messing with the new version of AWN and making things a little more minimalist. Only my own custom icons are on the desktop now.

My nautilus-actions work fine and have done without any messing about since the upgrade...

Thanks for the heads up, I may tweak everything again and come back to square one, in which case knowing n-a's can cause issues like this gives me some direction for a fix!

Cheers

tomasiek · 2010-04-15 14:33:45

@kaivalagi - after today's update of n-a everything is fine. You can bring back icons to the desktop.

moljac024 · 2010-04-15 19:38:11

Also, whenever you save your nautilus actions configuration it adds one space after each semicolon in the file name conditions, and only the first condition is valid then.

Sylence · 2010-04-15 20:47:05

Hey guys,

Today I noticed that I can't lock my screen anymore (not by key-combo, not by menu entry).

And Evolution is also behaving strangely. After a certain amount of time (raning from minutes to hours) it just decides to use 100% of my CPU, for no apparent reason and it can not be closed normally.
The status bar says "fetching mails 0%" (or something similar), there is nothing in the console or log and it just stays this way.
I thought I had found the problem several times now (notification, other plugins, encryption), but no real luck so far ...

cheers, sylence

Last edited by Sylence (2010-04-15 20:48:41)

kaivalagi · 2010-04-16 09:23:55

@tomasiek, thanks for the info again

I have another issue which I think came about from this update, and probably just needs an edit somewhere...

When I initially login through GDM sometimes (not all the time) I cannot type my password in without first picking "United Kingdom" from the keyboard mapping options...there seems to be a "layout uk" option which is also available which results (not all the time) in no keybaord input working until I change it...

Any ideas?

I am using HAL for hardware, and had followed the wiki on setting up the fdi file appropriately for it...

Arch Linux

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