Upgraded to Xorg1.8

Vegita · 2010-05-26 06:44:14

Then just a question: how many bugs are holding us up at the moment?

flamelab · 2010-05-26 07:06:30

I think it will pass along with .34 kernel and mesa 7.8, because of the opensource drivers. So it needs to be tested before it passes to extra (along with the other packages).

tomk · 2010-05-26 08:55:16

Vegita wrote:

Then just a question: how many bugs are holding us up at the moment?

Same answer as before: check the bugtracker.

Vegita · 2010-05-27 12:31:11

Before anyone else asks, the developers are _maybe_ waiting for these bugs to be fixed before letting xorg 1.8 hitting extra:
http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/19271
http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/19302
http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/19303?pr … &pagenum=5

Even the new kernel (2.6.34) has less bugs reported

Square · 2010-05-29 03:56:31

I have a sort of HTPC that I decided to use as a test bed for xorg1.8 (since my main box black screens. Haven't got around to that yet...)

Anyhow, using a GNOME desktop with compiz, mesa7.8, and xf86-video-ati (Radeon Xpress 200G). Everything is working flawlessly.

I would like to note spefically that automounting is working without HAL, even though HAL is listed as a dependency for gnome-vfs.. Since gnome-vfs is the only package on my system requiring HAL (and gnome-vfs is required by GNOME), I decided to pacman -Rd hal to make sure and it is still working. So uh... why is HAL still a dependency for gnome-vfs?

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flamelab · 2010-05-29 12:36:52

Gvfs is hal-less. Gnome-vfs is not.

frigaut · 2010-05-29 14:05:56

flamelab, this doesn't really answer the question. And also, what's the difference between gvfs and gnome-vfs?

napsy · 2010-05-29 17:06:24

Any news if AMD/ATi drivers support the new xserver 1.8?

tomk · 2010-05-29 21:21:04

napsy - see the last few pages of the ATI Bar & Grill thread.

gamewolf · 2010-06-01 21:30:35

gnome-vfs / gvfs allow you to access a remote server (I.E. ftp) as a local filesystem. Use gvfs as gnome-vfs is deprecated, which is why it wants to use hal. gvfs does not require hal.

If your not sure what something is, just google it.

JGC · 2010-06-01 22:55:44

Square wrote:

I have a sort of HTPC that I decided to use as a test bed for xorg1.8 (since my main box black screens. Haven't got around to that yet...)
Anyhow, using a GNOME desktop with compiz, mesa7.8, and xf86-video-ati (Radeon Xpress 200G). Everything is working flawlessly.
I would like to note spefically that automounting is working without HAL, even though HAL is listed as a dependency for gnome-vfs.. Since gnome-vfs is the only package on my system requiring HAL (and gnome-vfs is required by GNOME), I decided to pacman -Rd hal to make sure and it is still working. So uh... why is HAL still a dependency for gnome-vfs?

You'd better just install hal and not start it. Any application that would use gnome-vfs is completely broken with your action because gnome-vfs-daemon can't start. The reason why gnome-vfs is still a dependency of GNOME is because of libgnome and libgnomeui. Both libraries are being deprecated, but it takes time before everything is ported.
GNOME applications themselves don't use gnome-vfs anymore, but libgnome pulls it in with dependencies. We might remove hal support from gnome-vfs later, but until KDE and XFCE don't use udisks/upower, I see no need to remove functionality from old gnome-vfs applications.

Inxsible · 2010-06-04 05:35:18

Installed xorg 1.8 and the nvidia-96xx drivers that came along with all the updates from testing. Everything seems to work great except that if I don't start hal, pcmanfm doesn't show any drives in the Locations section on the left.

However, the directory tree is still shown. not a deal breaker in anyway. Also acpid doesn't start until HAL does, so I can't use my power button to shutdown cleanly.

JGC · 2010-06-04 05:53:46

If you still have apps that use hal, you can just start it. Xorg won't use hal, it won't break if you run it anyways.
As for acpid: that's a hack in the hal init script that detects an installed acpid. If hal is started before acpid, acpid won't work. If you don't want to use hal but do want to use acpid, you just replace the daemon in rc.conf.

Inxsible · 2010-06-04 12:26:27

JGC wrote:

If you still have apps that use hal, you can just start it. Xorg won't use hal, it won't break if you run it anyways.
As for acpid: that's a hack in the hal init script that detects an installed acpid. If hal is started before acpid, acpid won't work. If you don't want to use hal but do want to use acpid, you just replace the daemon in rc.conf.

Yup I know we can run hal without problems even with xorg18. I was just reporting the minor things that I saw. In any case, pcmanfm and VLC were the only 2 packages that required HAL on my system (pacman -Qi hal).

pcmanfm runs fine except for the small quirk i mentioned. Vlc and cvlc run fine too (just checked by running a movie). so I don't really have a pressing need for Hal yeaaaaa!!!!

finally can get rid of all those friggin fdis

Nimatek · 2010-06-04 17:18:19

pcmanfm-git in aur is the beta of the new pcmanfm that doesn't use hal.

EVRAMP · 2010-06-04 20:37:33

Square wrote:

I have a sort of HTPC that I decided to use as a test bed for xorg1.8 (since my main box black screens. Haven't got around to that yet...)
Anyhow, using a GNOME desktop with compiz, mesa7.8, and xf86-video-ati (Radeon Xpress 200G). Everything is working flawlessly.
I would like to note spefically that automounting is working without HAL, even though HAL is listed as a dependency for gnome-vfs.. Since gnome-vfs is the only package on my system requiring HAL (and gnome-vfs is required by GNOME), I decided to pacman -Rd hal to make sure and it is still working. So uh... why is HAL still a dependency for gnome-vfs?

It doesn't work here
How are you launching GNOME? Do you use exec ck-launch-session gnome-session or just exec gnome-session? I noticed ck-launch-session is part of consolekit which is required only by hal. Automount works fine if I launch Gnome with ck-launch-session, but otherwise i get "Not authorized" message. Also Gnome doesn't respect my xorg.conf keyboard layout when not launched with ck-launch-session.

dobedo · 2010-06-05 14:02:13

...one more happy user

Laptop (Inspiron 1520) upgraded to xorg 1.8, kernel 2.6.34, nvidia 195.36.24 (GeForce 8600M GT).
I just had to pull xf86-input-synaptics 1.2.2 after the nvidia upgrade otherwise I lost the touchpad.

Excellent job! (as usual)

btw, thanks for the wiki upgrade. With it and 'man xorg.conf' I reworked my xorg.conf quite a lot (as it was quite outdated).

Thanks all.

fettouhi · 2010-06-14 18:06:44

When is xorg18 going into stable?

ngoonee · 2010-06-15 01:09:43

That question has been asked and answered multiple times, even on this page of the thread...

Cr0k · 2010-06-15 06:45:14

I made this update this week-end, it's really awesome !
No more xorg.conf, no more HAL

alexj · 2010-06-15 09:58:42

There are some bugs that need to be solved before.

Cdh · 2010-06-15 10:19:55

Such as?

With intel on my eee 1000h I didn't noticed one.
With catalyst there are some strange things but since catalyst does not support plain 1.8 this is ok I guess.

kriz · 2010-06-15 16:16:07

like that

Vegita wrote:

Before anyone else asks, the developers are _maybe_ waiting for these bugs to be fixed before letting xorg 1.8 hitting extra:
http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/19271
http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/19302
http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/19303?pr … &pagenum=5
Even the new kernel (2.6.34) has less bugs reported

Cdh · 2010-06-15 18:02:59

Oh ok, thanks. Since I dont use compositing and didn't have much time to watch videos I didn't see any of these.

napsy · 2010-06-17 16:20:58

For me, the new xserver patched for catalyst works like a charm together with catalyst 10.6.

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