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#1 2010-06-24 14:52:03

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Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

Basically, some benchmarks say Arch sucks by a wide margin. Any ideas why? hmm

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a … eway&num=1


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#2 2010-06-24 14:56:10

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

Gosh, here we go again. No idea, and I couldn't care less.

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#3 2010-06-24 14:58:34

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

I don't really care either, but I'm just looking for a technical explanation like "they are using version 2 of foo and we use 1". Why? I'm curious about such technical details.

So instead of littering the thread with useless "insight" (if you can call it that) I'm sure there are other threads where you can be useful.

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#4 2010-06-24 15:06:27

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

phoronix dudes wrote:

Each distribution was left in its stock configuration.

There's a problem right there... smile

Also, why not investigate yourself? You're curious, you want the technical details - others may not.

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#5 2010-06-24 15:08:46

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

tomk wrote:

Also, why not investigate yourself? You're curious, you want the technical details - others may not.

I will, when I have time. I've just asked here since someone might have an easy answer. That's it. Nothing less, nothing more smile


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#6 2010-06-24 15:09:25

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

The want for one more time to prove that Ubuntu it the best. Well, a writer who's giving Arch Linux a version can't be taken as serious.

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#7 2010-06-24 15:11:01

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

gtklocker wrote:

Well, a writer who's giving Arch Linux a version can't be taken as serious.

True smile But still, 2010.5 does actually exist, even though it's just a snapshot of the repo.


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#8 2010-06-24 15:12:41

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

Phoronix wrote:

Our first test was with World of Padman, but Arch Linux results are not available for the OpenGL tests due to problems with the system.

All of the distributions were installed on the same computer, and they were all "Linux", which means they could all be setup to work the same. So that means... nobody there wanted to spend the time to learn how to setup Arch? I don't know.

They don't say what video card driver they are using for Arch. I don't know why.

Recently, my opinion of Phoronix has been getting lower and lower. hmm

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#9 2010-06-24 15:13:44

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

I wonder why they used Gnome for Ubuntu and fedora and KDE for the rest. KDE is so slow irrespective of the distro. Still I have to try out PCLOS. Looks promising.


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#10 2010-06-24 15:25:09

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

Isn't that part of the "stock configuration per distro" thing?

dcc24 wrote:

But still, 2010.5 does actually exist.

Of course it exists - thing is, it's an installer, not an entire distro.

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#11 2010-06-24 15:28:14

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

Helpful information is helpful, like what driver? What xorg version? Kernel? Modules? clfags? Running stuff?

Useless parp from phoronix again.

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#12 2010-06-24 15:46:37

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

I wrote this off from the start because of this statement

but Arch Linux results are not available for the OpenGL tests due to problems with the system.

Translation for me is they couldn't take the time to set it up properly so obviously its not going to get a fair shake. Arch is not an install and go system. That is what Ubuntu, Suse, and Fedora are for.

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#13 2010-06-24 15:52:39

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

I wonder why this site is so popular anyway. This guy has obviously no idea what he is talking about. There are a lot of differences between distros, but for sure it's not speed.

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#14 2010-06-24 16:25:21

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

> I wonder why this site is so popular anyway.
I think it's "if you just bear with me" type of thing: they show you a bunch of numbers / graphs (sometimes a dozen or so pages) and in the end they write "we have no idea why it came up the way it did". Thanks a bunch.

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#15 2010-06-24 16:27:57

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

karol wrote:

and in the end they write "we have no idea why it came up the way it did". Thanks a bunch.

This is exactly what Phoronix has become. A lot of data, no interpretation, no conclusion. hmm


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#16 2010-06-24 16:32:11

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

> no interpretation
Sometimes there's some, but they phrase it like this:
I have 1180 posts, sHyLoCk has 1192 that means he's just marginally better Archer than me. Pierre has 1325 so he's a bit better Archer than me. <sigh>

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#17 2010-06-24 16:50:58

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

sHyLoCk wrote:

I wonder why they used Gnome for Ubuntu and fedora and KDE for the rest. KDE is so slow irrespective of the distro. Still I have to try out PCLOS. Looks promising.

Stop trolling idiot. KDE is the fastest and the snappiest actually (but this is completely irrelevant to Phoronix tests!!! How is it possible to make such stupid conclusions?). You can only dream gtk, Gnome to rich quality and performance of Qt, KDE apps.

On topic:

There are hundreds of tunables and options to setup Arch Linux, you can tune everything from the file systems, their mount options to kernel. The article doesn't proof in any way Arch is slower etc. There can be some regressions in the newest GCC too (but in Arch you can use older one if you want).

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#18 2010-06-24 17:03:37

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

kraftman13 wrote:

Stop trolling idiot. KDE is the fastest and the snappiest actually (but this is completely irrelevant to Phoronix tests!!! How is it possible to make such stupid conclusions?). You can only dream gtk, Gnome to rich quality and performance of Qt, KDE apps.

And you are not trolling yourself? Bashing GTK? Stop trying to start a flame war.


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#19 2010-06-24 17:40:39

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

I think we'll just start closing or deleting these phoronix threads as they come in; they really are quite ponderous flamebait and do not have any discernible value.

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#20 2010-06-24 17:43:50

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Re: Phoronix 5-way distro comparison

Boy that was quick tongue


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