The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Vi0L0 · 2012-03-12 00:01:31

.:B:. wrote:

Out of curiosity, would I get the same result if I just put IgnoreGroup = xorg in pacman.conf? Because that's what I've done for now.

I've used testing and community-testing repos with IgnoreGroup = xorg in pacman.conf, but the result is not as good as i thought:

pacman -Su
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: xf86-input-evdev: ignoring package upgrade (2.6.0-4 => 2.7.0-1)
warning: xorg-server: ignoring package upgrade (1.11.4-1 => 1.12.0-1)
resolving dependencies...
warning: dependency cycle detected:
warning: udev will be installed before its util-linux dependency
looking for inter-conflicts...

Targets (39): ...
              xorg-server-common-1.12.0-1  xorg-server-devel-1.12.0-1  xorg-server-xvfb-1.12.0-1

So i guess it's not as safe as using xorg111 repo.

Wilco wrote:

@Vi0L0: amdcccle does not really change the brightness in in /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness or am I missing a setting?

Guess not, but i though that the result is most important here.
Haven't test it but i think that most of the options used in amdcccle are stored in /etc/ati/amdpcsdb, brighteness should be easy to check with diff.

guelfi wrote:

I don't know if this is the right thread to ask this, but is there any way to improve the 2D performance with some options in xorg.conf or something similar?
I used the open source drivers for quite some time, and compared to them, 2D acceleration is really slow. For example, swapping the tags (workspaces/desktops) of my two monitors (with herbstluftwm) takes nearly 1.5 seconds...

I'm not 2 monitors expert here, i used such config only once, although without problems/laggs. First thing to do is to check is 2d acceleration enabled:

# grep -ir 2d /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[     8.062] (**) fglrx(0): ATI 2D Acceleration Architecture enabled

And yes - catalyst is not as fast as open source driver in 2d, mainly because it's not using direct rendering, but it should not have such a big lagg anyway. If it has and there will be no logical explanation in config then you should use bugzilla.

.:B:. · 2012-03-12 11:26:23

Thanks Vi0l0, I'll add your xorg repo then. Much obliged.

cdprincipe · 2012-03-12 21:32:57

Xorg-Server 1.12 is in extra now... (un)Happy anniversary
https://plus.google.com/100814925035928 … FHa82BvsDq

GRRRR

Vi0L0 · 2012-03-12 22:49:05

cdprincipe wrote:

Xorg-Server 1.12 is in extra now... (un)Happy anniversary
https://plus.google.com/100814925035928 … FHa82BvsDq
GRRRR

Looks like the future is just behind the corner ;P

achilleas.k · 2012-03-13 11:36:30

So current status for Catalyst 12.2 is:
- Works with Kernels up to and including 3.2.10 -- I am using CK, but I assume it works for stock as well. Correct me if I'm wrong
- Works with Xorg server up to and including 1.11.4 (does not work with 1.12)
- Gnome shell is working almost perfectly or there are at least significant improvements from the last version -- again, correct me if I'm wrong

Amarus · 2012-03-13 14:23:04

achilleas.k wrote:

- Gnome shell is working almost perfectly or there are at least significant improvements from the last version

There doesn't seem to be any graphical corruption with gnome-shell any more but there's still a segfault issue:
http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408

achilleas.k · 2012-03-13 14:28:29

I knew it sounded too good to be true.

Wilco · 2012-03-13 19:54:29

Well I don't use gnome but the driver is working fine so far. I just hope they add 1.12 support soon.

ratcheer · 2012-03-14 00:43:14

I run Catalyst and I have updated pacman.conf to use the xorg111 repo. But I am hitting some kind of conflict and cannot upgrade my system:

sudo pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 xorg111 is up to date
 catalyst is up to date
 core is up to date
 extra is up to date
 community is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
:: Replace mach64-dri with extra/libgl? [Y/n] 
:: Replace mga-dri with extra/libgl? [Y/n] 
:: Replace r128-dri with extra/libgl? [Y/n] 
:: Replace savage-dri with extra/libgl? [Y/n] 
:: Replace sis-dri with extra/libgl? [Y/n] 
:: Replace tdfx-dri with extra/libgl? [Y/n] 
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: xf86-video-ark and xorg-server are in conflict. Remove xorg-server? [y/N] N
error: unresolvable package conflicts detected
error: failed to prepare transaction (conflicting dependencies)
:: xf86-video-ark and xorg-server are in conflict (xorg-server<1.11.99.902)

First, am I supposed to replace all those -dri's with libgl?

But, the real problem is that it wants to remove xorg-server. I know that is not right, but if I reply N, pacman just stops and installs nothing. What am I supposed to do?

Background - Everything is fully up-to-date as of yesterday morning. No updates have been installed since Xorg 1.12 was released. My currently installed xorg is 1.11.4-1

Tim

PS - This looks analogous to post #3721 in this thread. Page 131

Last edited by ratcheer (2012-03-14 01:00:48)

ewaller · 2012-03-14 01:57:38

Moderator comment:
There is no problem here, but might I suggest you use BBCode url tags when you make a reference?

ratcheer wrote:

PS - This looks analogous to post #3721 in this thread. Page 131

Not everyone uses the default number of posts / page. The link you want to copy is the date and time link at the top of the post you are referencing.

spesialstyrker · 2012-03-14 04:31:39

When using catalyst, and coming out of suspend my keyboard will no longer work properly. Where would I start to try to understand why this is happening?

This is what happens:

Here is a line that iupe witht correing the letters tharandomly decide not to typ in.

This is only after I suspend, and restarting X via ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't fix it for me.

Thanks for any help too by the way!

Wilco · 2012-03-14 08:16:58

@ratcheer: had the same problem. I removed xorg and all dependencies (including mplayer, vlc, ttf-fonts, etc.) with pacman -Rc. Then I reinstalled xorg-server and mesa and all the other stuff that was uninstalled, like mplayer, vlc. It was a bit cumbersome but the only way I could make it work.

Vi0L0 · 2012-03-14 09:01:39

@ratcheer:
i could put archived xf86-video-ark package into [xorg111] , i only need one good reason. Are you sure you really need it? Same for all those -dri pkgs.
You can not have that many gfx cards, can you? :-)

Edit: guess that those -dri packages have been removed from arch repos, maybe arch isn't supporting them now, maybe support was moved somewhere else (edit2: ah yes http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/ … 22526.html). I only don't know why you have them installed - were they installed as dependencies? Plus: if you have got catalyst installed then you won't be able to install libgl because those are in conflict.

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Wilco · 2012-03-14 09:48:48

If you install xorg and just press enter, all repositories are installed, so it automatically installs all available drivers

DeepThought · 2012-03-14 10:11:00

How about xf86-video-v4l? Same thing as with -ark, but I'd say -v4l might be worth putting there?

ratcheer · 2012-03-14 11:42:47

ewaller wrote:

Moderator comment:
There is no problem here, but might I suggest you use BBCode url tags when you make a reference?
ratcheer wrote:
PS - This looks analogous to post #3721 in this thread. Page 131
Not everyone uses the default number of posts / page. The link you want to copy is the date and time link at the top of the post you are referencing.

Thank you, I will try to do better.

Tim

ratcheer · 2012-03-14 11:50:05

Vi0L0 wrote:

@ratcheer:
i could put archived xf86-video-ark package into [xorg111] , i only need one good reason. Are you sure you really need it? Same for all those -dri pkgs.
You can not have that many gfx cards, can you? :-)
Edit: guess that those -dri packages have been removed from arch repos, maybe arch isn't supporting them now, maybe support was moved somewhere else (edit2: ah yes http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/ … 22526.html). I only don't know why you have them installed - were they installed as dependencies? Plus: if you have got catalyst installed then you won't be able to install libgl because those are in conflict.

No, I am not sure I really need it, I just use Catalyst. pacman is driving this bus, I am just along for the ride.

So, is Wilco's suggestion the proper solution? Remove and reinstall Xorg and everything that depends on it? That sounds very drastic for something that shouldn't have changed since Monday. I thought we were just changing its repository.

Tim

Vi0L0 · 2012-03-14 13:16:23

Wilco wrote:

If you install xorg and just press enter, all repositories are installed, so it automatically installs all available drivers

Ah yes, you are right, totally forgot about this never_used_by_me_group.

ratcheer wrote:

Vi0L0 wrote:
@ratcheer:
i could put archived xf86-video-ark package into [xorg111] , i only need one good reason. Are you sure you really need it? Same for all those -dri pkgs.
You can not have that many gfx cards, can you? :-)
Edit: guess that those -dri packages have been removed from arch repos, maybe arch isn't supporting them now, maybe support was moved somewhere else (edit2: ah yes http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/ … 22526.html). I only don't know why you have them installed - were they installed as dependencies? Plus: if you have got catalyst installed then you won't be able to install libgl because those are in conflict.
No, I am not sure I really need it, I just use Catalyst. pacman is driving this bus, I am just along for the ride.
So, is Wilco's suggestion the proper solution? Remove and reinstall Xorg and everything that depends on it? That sounds very drastic for something that shouldn't have changed since Monday.

Just remove those packages on which pacman is loitering for (all -dri and xf86-video-ark).

ratcheer wrote:

I thought we were just changing its repository.
Tim

Read url from my 'edit2' please: http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/ … 22526.html

DeepThought wrote:

How about xf86-video-v4l? Same thing as with -ark, but I'd say -v4l might be worth putting there?

sounds like a good sugestion, will do this after getting back home

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Radioactiveman · 2012-03-14 14:40:35

12.3 is already released.

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/e … linux.aspx

EDIT: seems to be for embedded devices only, also .zip instead of of .run

Last edited by Radioactiveman (2012-03-14 14:47:05)

ccpaging · 2012-03-14 15:05:40

Vi0L0 wrote:

Looks like 12.2 is online, let's test it ;P
- xv is fixed when using xserver 1.11
- no warnings when compiling fglrx module ;P

I'm updating repo atm (done!)

Thanks your working. But 12.2 cause display tearing when playing movies by mplayer-vaapi. Now, I have to fallback previous version which has no tearing.

Vi0L0 · 2012-03-14 16:47:28

Radioactiveman wrote:

12.3 is already released.
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/e … linux.aspx
EDIT: seems to be for embedded devices only, also .zip instead of of .run

yup, it's useless
versioned same as 12.2 so 8.95.
Only 3 files are different when comparing to 12.2, all from /etc/ati dir:
- amdpcsdb.default
- control
- signature
Files from let's call it "12.3" are much smaller, ie control file is almost 40 times smaller.

From user point of view the only thing he will get with this driver is green watermark with "Unsupported hardware" on it.

But hey Radioactiveman that was a good catch, how did you find it?

Radioactiveman · 2012-03-14 21:05:20

It is listed here: http://www.computerbase.de/downloads/

ratcheer · 2012-03-15 02:04:49

Vi0L0 wrote:

Just remove those packages on which pacman is loitering for (all -dri and xf86-video-ark).

I am still stuck. I removed all of the -dri packages and a bunch of xf86-video- packages (probably about 30 of them). Now, the conflict is between libgl and catalyst-utils. I tried to remove libgl, but it says it does not exist. There is a package named libglapi, but the conflict message specifically says "libgl".

So, I still cannot perform pacman -Syu.

Tim

Vi0L0 · 2012-03-15 07:39:20

@ratcheer:

starting to be interesting

pacman isn't saying anything else?

I can see that you have added xorg111 in a proper way (above all repos) - so the best reason for which your problem could occur just flew away .

libgl is provided by catalyst-utils so this should not happen, unless there's a package which depends on specific version of libgl, but afaik there's no such package in repos, and pacman should tell you about conflicting package...

libglapi is fine.

I'm wondering what will happen if you will add libgl into IgnorePkg list of pacman.conf, but that's not a solution, we should to solve it in a proper way. Any ideas? =]

BTW: i will be back later

Last edited by Vi0L0 (2012-03-15 07:40:16)

ratcheer · 2012-03-15 11:52:42

Here is the complete output of a pacman run:

pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 xorg111 is up to date
 catalyst is up to date
 core                     104.8 KiB   300K/s 00:00 [----------------------] 100%
 extra                   1387.5 KiB   355K/s 00:04 [----------------------] 100%
 community               1593.6 KiB   362K/s 00:04 [----------------------] 100%
:: Starting full system upgrade...
resolving dependencies...
warning: dependency cycle detected:
warning: util-linux will be installed before its udev dependency
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: libgl and catalyst-utils are in conflict. Remove catalyst-utils? [y/N] 
error: unresolvable package conflicts detected
error: failed to prepare transaction (conflicting dependencies)
:: libgl and catalyst-utils are in conflict

So, yes, there is that thing about util-linux, too. Maybe I just need to go back to Wilco's suggestion and remove xorg-server, then reinstall it and the 17 packages that depend on it.

Thanks,
Tim

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