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#1 2012-07-10 10:14:18

TuxLyn
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[SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

** BIG THANK YOU TO "ARCH LINUX" COMMUNITY FOR REGULAR ISO's **

Looks like "daily snapshots" is no longer daily at http://releng.archlinux.org/isos/
The last update is from 2012-06-05 and stable version is 2011-08-19 kernel 3.0.3
and has at least 4 major bugs or upgrades that "manual intervention required".

filesystem upgrade (again) -- http://www.archlinux.org/news/filesyste … equired-1/

Having pacman verify packages -- http://www.archlinux.org/news/having-pa … -packages/

filesystem upgrade -- http://www.archlinux.org/news/filesyste … -required/

initscripts update -- http://www.archlinux.org/news/initscrip … -required/

Not to mantion that current kernel is 3.4.4 and the last release was 2011-08-19 which is about 10 months, 21 days old.

Is there going to be "Arch Linux 2012" release this year or you guys waiting for "Arch Linux 2013" release now ?

I know that with upgrade you can have latest packages, but that not the point. If I want for example to install new
computer with fresh newest ISO there is no daily snapshots now and stable iso is way too old (especially for arch).
Upgrading packages from stable ISO is just way too many, this is like downloading whole new CD image.

Last edited by TuxLyn (2012-12-19 10:09:51)


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#2 2012-07-10 10:16:51

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

Use netinstalls when possible.


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#3 2012-07-10 10:28:08

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

ethail wrote:

Use netinstalls when possible.

And/Or try the inofficial Archboot.

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#4 2012-07-10 10:32:38

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

@ethail, net-installs never worked for me, always had some sort of errors.

@progandy, you mean un-official ? If so no go there too, not secure smile


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#5 2012-07-10 10:34:36

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

TuxLyn wrote:

@ethail, net-installs never worked for me, always had some sort of errors.


And I guess you always reported them back, right...?


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#6 2012-07-10 10:46:31

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

Highly recommend using archboot, too. Especially, when using an SSD and you don't want to have fdisk screw up
your alignment and/or have to manually partition everything with gdisk and then dd the bootloader just to find
out that it doesn't work. With archboot it's a simple step by step process.

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#7 2012-07-10 10:53:55

TuxLyn
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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

@ethail, yes I did report the "double partition" problem, which I had all the time I've tried installing.

@blackout23, I don't use SSD, but thanks.


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#8 2012-07-10 11:14:01

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

We have stopped creating release media.  Eventually it will be impossible to install Arch and then our user base will dwindle to more manageable numbers...

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#9 2012-07-10 11:27:34

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

@Allan, thanks for the update.


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#10 2012-07-10 11:43:27

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

Allan wrote:

We have stopped creating release media.  Eventually it will be impossible to install Arch and then our user base will dwindle to more manageable numbers...

I have the installer on a thumb drive. You can never have it! Mwahahahaha!

Wait, it's the net installer... sad

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#11 2012-07-10 15:22:50

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

TuxLyn wrote:

@ethail, net-installs never worked for me, always had some sort of errors.

@progandy, you mean un-official ? If so no go there too, not secure smile

i used the netinstaller last week with no problems. on a netbook with ssd.
did you try the most recent version? maybe it improved for you too..


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#12 2012-07-10 15:28:55

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

Time to start stockpilling arch installation media right next to the canned food, cricket bat, and shotgun shells.

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#13 2012-07-10 16:06:04

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

TuxLyn wrote:

@ethail, net-installs never worked for me, always had some sort of errors.

Such as...?

@progandy, you mean un-official ? If so no go there too, not secure smile

It always seemed more like "semi-official" to me, though it's definitely not.  Besides, aren't the releng releases for testing new AIF scripts anyway?  Seems you're already playing with fire.

As for the irregular release schedule: I'm totally speculating here, but this and this might have something to do with it, since they'll directly impact how Arch is installed from the official .iso.

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#14 2012-07-10 16:16:58

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

@progandy, you mean un-official ? If so no go there too, not secure smile

I mixed it with the German "inoffiziell", but it is still valid English even though it is a rare spelling big_smile

ANOKNUSA wrote:

It always seemed more like "semi-official" to me, though it's definitely not.  Besides, aren't the releng releases for testing new AIF scripts anyway?  Seems you're already playing with fire.

At least the developer of Archboot belongs to the Arch developer team, so he should know what he is doing. The archboot buildscripts are also in the extra-repository.

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#15 2012-07-10 18:53:42

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

One reason I can think of for creating a new installation ISO (even when using net-install), is switching the default bootloader from grub to grub2, aside from the syslinux option, of course.

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#16 2012-07-11 21:44:59

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

I don't know why the ISO snapshots stopped generating, I'll need to have a look soon.

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#17 2012-07-12 06:38:55

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

The releng netinstall does not work on my machine. It stopps installing as soon as the battery is empty. That's absurd.

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#18 2012-07-12 06:55:42

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

Awebb wrote:

The releng netinstall does not work on my machine. It stopps installing as soon as the battery is empty. That's absurd.

Humor its tricky to get right, sometimes its best to just think the thought, not type it. If its not adding anything to the thread that's one of the times to refrain...


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#19 2012-07-12 11:58:06

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

Heh, it seems that the releng build process is broken in several ways, related to signing being enabled by default. Fixing this will not be possible before I go on vacation.

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#20 2012-07-12 12:46:26

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

Netinstall works fine these days.

But an updated ISO would be nice because:
1) The b43 wireless binary driver is not included so I need to find an ethernet cable when I install on my netbook (don't know if the b43 binary driver is ever going to be included though)
2) The installer still throws some errors regarding "sed" when you choose to create fstab with labels, instead of devicenames or UUIDs.

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#21 2012-07-13 09:52:08

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

jasonwryan wrote:

If its not adding anything to the thread that's one of the times to refrain...

That wasn't even humor, that was me being unable to have a conversation in a chat window and post in the forums at the same time. I was originally going to add, that I have trouble reporting one of the problems I encounter with the releng image, because it lacks consistency, it doesn't happen every time I try, say only in 3/5 cases, even if I replicate all steps. It's the syslinux installer, it wets its pants and complains about a failed command, but not every time. First I thought my new SSD was broken, then it magically worked, so I tried the old HDD and it worked or worked not. This also happens on my EFI mainboard, but not consistently enough to report it. Or is "fails sometimes for no reason" a valid content for a report?

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#22 2012-07-13 11:49:33

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

Wilco wrote:

Netinstall works fine these days.

But an updated ISO would be nice because:
1) The b43 wireless binary driver is not included so I need to find an ethernet cable when I install on my netbook (don't know if the b43 binary driver is ever going to be included though)
2) The installer still throws some errors regarding "sed" when you choose to create fstab with labels, instead of devicenames or UUIDs.

1) The b43 driver is included. The _firmware_ needed for the card on the other hand is not, for legal reasons. Broadcom does not allow redistribution of the firmware.

2) Atm aif is even more broken :p (and pacman -r /mnt -Syu stuff is imo better anyway)

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#23 2012-07-13 16:16:12

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

Awebb wrote:

That wasn't even humor, that was me being unable to have a conversation in a chat window and post in the forums at the same time. I was originally going to add, that I have trouble reporting one of the problems I encounter with the releng image, because it lacks consistency, it doesn't happen every time I try, say only in 3/5 cases, even if I replicate all steps. It's the syslinux installer, it wets its pants and complains about a failed command, but not every time. First I thought my new SSD was broken, then it magically worked, so I tried the old HDD and it worked or worked not. This also happens on my EFI mainboard, but not consistently enough to report it. Or is "fails sometimes for no reason" a valid content for a report?

I recently had a similar experience with the net-installer but, as Awebb said, it isn't consistent. In all honesty, it could easily be a pebkac error too in my experience and I wish I could duplicate the behaviour but so far I haven't been able to do so.


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#24 2012-07-13 16:28:24

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

MoonSwan wrote:

it could easily be a pebkac error too

Yes but the question is whose keyboard and chair. wink


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#25 2012-07-13 19:14:11

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Re: [SOLVED] Is Arch Linux ISO's no longer updated ?

Allan wrote:

We have stopped creating release media.  Eventually it will be impossible to install Arch and then our user base will dwindle to more manageable numbers...

That's what I was expecting.  The only way to install Arch now is to unpack a minimal pacman environment onto a clean partition, pull down the compiler and build tools with pacman, and then use abs/makepkg to build everything else including the kernel from source code.  It's a lot cleaner than the old way.

big_smile

BTW you really are very funny Allan.  You got me laughing and choking...

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