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#1 2012-07-14 14:49:15

brain0
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From: Aachen - Germany
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ISO test builds are back

From https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail … 02625.html:

I took the time to fix up the ISO build process. ISOs should now build
again nightly.

I removed AIF and added Dave's arch-install-scripts. These are
incomplete and undocumented, so any installation you do with those
images right now is done manually.

Everyone who still wants to use the images can get them from the releng
server [1] or boot them via netboot [2].

[1] https://releng.archlinux.org/isos/
[2] https://releng.archlinux.org/pxeboot/

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#2 2012-07-14 21:20:39

Psykorgasm
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Re: ISO test builds are back

I was due a fresh install and when I got the email it seemed like a perfect time for it because;

I removed AIF and added Dave's arch-install-scripts. These are
incomplete and undocumented, so any installation you do with those
images right now is done manually.

Intrigued me.

Honestly, after a VERY quick (Granted I kept /home, 10 minutes max, minus dl time) easymode-Gentoo-ish style base install I was so impressed I took a venture in to IRC for the first time in a while to give a small thanks.
I hope to see the back of AIF, respectfully speaking of course :)

Of course thanks for getting these back up and running.

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#3 2012-07-14 22:13:07

karol
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Re: ISO test builds are back

Psykorgasm wrote:

I hope to see the back of AIF, respectfully speaking of course smile.

I'm not sure if AIF is coming back: http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/ … 23227.html

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#4 2012-07-14 22:26:00

fatboy
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Re: ISO test builds are back

karol wrote:
Psykorgasm wrote:

I hope to see the back of AIF, respectfully speaking of course smile.

I'm not sure if AIF is coming back: http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/ … 23227.html

I think what he meant was to hope for the removal of AIF, figuratively "seeing the back of AIF as it leaves"

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#5 2012-07-14 22:28:55

Psykorgasm
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Re: ISO test builds are back

@karol

Yes, I read that also but wasn't sure if it may be fixed up or carried on for the sake of it by someone else now or eventually, it seemed from irc a good chance this *brand new* way will become the default though smile

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#6 2012-07-14 22:36:28

karol
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Re: ISO test builds are back

fatboy wrote:
karol wrote:
Psykorgasm wrote:

I hope to see the back of AIF, respectfully speaking of course smile.

I'm not sure if AIF is coming back: http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/ … 23227.html

I think what he meant was to hope for the removal of AIF, figuratively "seeing the back of AIF as it leaves"

Oh yeah, I got it. Sorry for phrasing my response in a terrible way, I should have written 'I don't think AIF is coming back' i.e. Psykorgasm will get his wish :-)

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#7 2012-07-14 23:17:11

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Re: ISO test builds are back

Well shit now I think I need to do an install on something just to see this new method ...... got to find another old computer laying around now. smile


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#8 2012-07-14 23:18:19

fatboy
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Re: ISO test builds are back

karol wrote:
fatboy wrote:
karol wrote:

I'm not sure if AIF is coming back: http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/ … 23227.html

I think what he meant was to hope for the removal of AIF, figuratively "seeing the back of AIF as it leaves"

Oh yeah, I got it. Sorry for phrasing my response in a terrible way, I should have written 'I don't think AIF is coming back' i.e. Psykorgasm will get his wish :-)

I wonder how many levels of quotes are supported

EDIT: Ah, 3

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#9 2012-07-14 23:22:58

jjacky
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Re: ISO test builds are back

lifeafter2am wrote:

Well shit now I think I need to do an install on something just to see this new method ...... got to find another old computer laying around now. smile

No need, that's what VMs are for.

Edit: typo.

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#10 2012-07-14 23:51:48

freestyler7
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Re: ISO test builds are back

Wow downloading the new iso made me realize how lost i am without AIF or wiki.
Will have to wait for some documentation to proceed tongue

edit Well it took me little less than 2 hours but i made it tongue
Some user pointed me at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/In … ting_Linux link and from there i realized i have to manually create the filesystems, copy grub's stage files, play with chroot, write fstab from scratch etc.
Didn't think it was possible but i learned even more about linux/arch just by installing with the new isos.
The satisfaction was almost like the one when i installed arch for the first time around 2 years ago. tongue

Last edited by freestyler7 (2012-07-15 01:59:06)

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#11 2012-07-15 13:48:29

Psykorgasm
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Posts: 160

Re: ISO test builds are back

freestyler7 wrote:

Wow downloading the new iso made me realize how lost i am without AIF or wiki.
Will have to wait for some documentation to proceed tongue

edit Well it took me little less than 2 hours but i made it tongue
Some user pointed me at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/In … ting_Linux link and from there i realized i have to manually create the filesystems, copy grub's stage files, play with chroot, write fstab from scratch etc.
Didn't think it was possible but i learned even more about linux/arch just by installing with the new isos.
The satisfaction was almost like the one when i installed arch for the first time around 2 years ago. tongue

Nice to hear you took the time and effort to work through it, good to stretch the brain sometimes tongue
Also, I saw in the thread on Arch core iso's, although it's turned rather TGN, Allen posted this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ar … ll_Scripts  which may help you get it done in under 2 hours tongue

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#12 2012-07-15 16:23:23

freestyler7
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Re: ISO test builds are back

Yes subsequent installs  will be much quicker now that i learned some things, and those instructions are in fact perfect to get someone started. smile

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#13 2012-07-15 16:39:03

sbfreak
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Re: ISO test builds are back

So I take /isos/2012.06.05_04-00-01/ is the last one with AIF working ?
Can I successfully do a net install using it ?

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#14 2012-07-15 16:43:42

freestyler7
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Re: ISO test builds are back

Check the open bugs before doing so.
https://bugs.archlinux.org/index.php?pr … x&switch=1

And also the releng feedback page.
http://www.archlinux.org/releng/feedback/

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#15 2012-07-16 10:08:12

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Re: ISO test builds are back

I just tried the "archlinux-2012.07.16_04-00-01-netinstall-x86_64" and "pacstrap" worked great.  -Thanks !
Now, for just an "automated"-installer, ...,  and we're all good to go again, and again, ....
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#16 2012-07-16 10:52:54

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Re: ISO test builds are back

@brain0 Let me know if you need any help with docs/wiki?


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#17 2012-07-16 16:47:39

scjet
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Re: ISO test builds are back

brain0 wrote:

From https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail … 02625.html:

I took the time to fix up the ISO build process. ISOs should now build
again nightly.

I removed AIF and added Dave's arch-install-scripts. These are
incomplete and undocumented, so any installation you do with those
images right now is done manually.

Everyone who still wants to use the images can get them from the releng
server [1] or boot them via netboot [2].

[1] https://releng.archlinux.org/isos/
[2] https://releng.archlinux.org/pxeboot/


Very good Sir(s)/Madam(s):
Basically, once "fdisk"ed, I spent an hour, with a couple bad reboots, and realized very quickly that (I didn't have to reboot at all),  "pacsnap", and once in "arch-chroot", the sky was the limit, along with the "archlinux-keyring" and I ended up with a fresh-pristine-up-to-date Arch-Netinstall of my lite-openbox-desktop. I was looking for complexity I guess ?
- I did have a minor isuue when running "mkinitcpio -p linux" (the 1st time),  near the end -> "...truncation error ...with,,,fallback image..." ?, it also  mentioned something about running out of space ?, and yet all seemed functional still.
- Also, while installing pkgs, inside "arch-chroot" I got "...filesystem checks...?...?" but pacman installed all the pkg's successfully, even the packer/AUR ones.
- also "pacsnap -r ..." from /etc/motd, on intital install doesn't do anything, "pacsnap --help" also does not reveal the "-r" switch ?
...Finally,  I rebooted, and ran "mkinicpio -p linux" again. -and this time no errors, and all worked flawlessly.

Of course, a more interactive disk(s) partioning scheme / Network / timezone / language / nada nada will be ..., well you know helpful, (and THAT stuff is the "AIF" part I sorely miss), but after that, "pacman" is a pleasant breeze again.

Anyway, Ya, this is k.i.s.s, and even moreso once some extra documention gets out, which BTW, @Mr Green was kind enough to offer, is very appreciated.

The Arch-Netinstall shall rise again. !

- happy, GW, keep-it-up, and TY again.
smile

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#18 2012-07-17 15:33:09

madeye
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Re: ISO test builds are back

The good thing about arch is that it never goes stale. Something new always comes along to lighten up the day smile
That being said now I only need to find some time to check out this way of doing the installation. Looking at the wiki it seems rather straight forward. Kinda like you would install a gentoo base system (without the compiling though). cool


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#19 2012-07-17 18:13:21

scjet
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Re: ISO test builds are back

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ar … ll_Scripts
The above link was mentioned on some other thread but, I found it very helpful/easy.
...err umm, atleast alot easier than this mess: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Archiso  -jus kiddin'.

wink
- it's ALL good.

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#20 2012-07-17 18:27:44

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Re: ISO test builds are back

scjet wrote:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ar … ll_Scripts
The above link was mentioned on some other thread but, I found it very helpful/easy.

Maybe that wikipage could be included as a manpage and together with a shellscript in /arch/setup to display it. That way, the transition from AIF to arch-install-scripts would be easier.


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#21 2012-07-17 18:35:28

scjet
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Re: ISO test builds are back

progandy wrote:
scjet wrote:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ar … ll_Scripts
The above link was mentioned on some other thread but, I found it very helpful/easy.

Maybe that wikipage could be included as a manpage and together with a shellscript in /arch/setup to display it. That way, the transition from AIF to arch-install-scripts would be easier.

+1 (aka, I agree).
Also, maybe they should atleast notify ppl of these important new? "Arch Install Scripts" via http://www.archlinux.org/, possibly under "Latest News" ? -that would also be handy real soon.

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#22 2012-07-17 18:43:21

scjet
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Re: ISO test builds are back

mmm. on a philosphical note:

I seriously believe, Arch is going to go through a very explosive, for the good, "NetInstall" phase soon, similar to the heavy work/development that went into RedHat's Kickstart/Anaconda(python?), Sun's-Jumpstart, HP's-Ignite, ..., of the past, as there was talk of somewhere else...I saw....anyway.

A very powerful and customizable Arch Net/Installer, may be on the horizon soon.
On this other end of the universe, this would be a real wooly-mammoth admin/dev-task (maybe?), because Arch is inherently so bleeding-edge/rolling/changing/..., (compared to those Bumtu's, redhat, CentoOS,...), that it was historically hard to implement/maintain in Arch, and which, I hazard a guess, that is what slowly happened to AIF's demise ? -which was too bad, 'cause AIF just needed to "metamorphize", albeit, constantly-on-demand.

However, the more that we depend on Netinstall's, the more that these (automated/semi-automated/customizable/...) methods will be a requirement !, and NOT just for re-installs,..., but also for OS-DR's-(..Disaster Recoveries, Restoration), ... the sky's the limit.

-And, I'm just thinkin' in my bottle again, but it's rarely wrong, and when it is ?
sooo what.
cool

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