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#1 2012-09-03 08:51:33

speedyx
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NTFS-3G entry need attention

Hallo! I'm new in this subforum but I want to contribute with posting in your attention a possible error I see in the NTFS-3G wiki page.
I tried to discuss that in the discussion tab "Talk" of the page, but without any response.
I can modify the wiki page on my own if I don't hurt anyone.

The problem is about the type parameter of /etc/fstab. Using my home server and its ntfs partition I discovered that if I identify the ntfs partition with the 'ntfs-3g' parameter, like in the wiki, the partition is inaccessible, unmounted and the fstab isn't completely processed. But if I identify that with the 'ntfs' parameter it works perfectly as expected.

I can corret that wiki page only modifying that parameter if confirm that.

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#2 2012-09-03 09:07:25

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Re: NTFS-3G entry need attention

Have you installed ntfs-3g? My partition works with the following entry, access is managed with a simple mapping from ntfs-acl to linux groups (without posix-acl) using /daten/.NTFS-3G/UserMapping

UUID=... /daten ntfs-3g defaults 	0 	0

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#3 2012-09-03 09:17:25

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Re: NTFS-3G entry need attention

This is my entry that didn't work with 'ntfs-3g' type

/dev/sdb1                                       /mnt/windows            ntfs    nofail,user,rw                  0       2

I use that with nfs in a local home network


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#4 2012-09-03 18:13:55

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Re: NTFS-3G entry need attention

When you use "ntfs" you are using a different driver than that provided by ntfs-3g. Instead, you are using the kernel driver, which is simply "ntfs". ntfs-3g sits on top of the kernel fuse driver and is completely separate from the ntfs driver. As such, amending the ntfs-3g wiki would be incorrect.

There have been a number of fuse bugs introduced in the most recent kernels, if you use git to build your kernel, in which case you may want to subscribe to the fuse dev mailing list (or at least browse around it) to see if perhaps any of the (many) patches recently posted are likely to help you. Certainly one bug that I reported WRT ntfs-3g on fuse has since had a patch made available.

As for your fstab entry, have you tried varying your entry using the disk UUID and changing the mount parameters? Mine works fine with:

UUID=XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX				/mnt/Data	ntfs-3g	gid=users,fmask=113,dmask=002		0	0

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#5 2012-09-03 19:20:04

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Re: NTFS-3G entry need attention

When you use "ntfs" you are using a different driver than that provided by ntfs-3g. Instead, you are using the kernel driver, which is simply "ntfs". ntfs-3g sits on top of the kernel fuse driver and is completely separate from the ntfs driver. As such, amending the ntfs-3g wiki would be incorrect.

When you install ntfs-3g on Arch, it creates a symlink in /usr/bin/mount.ntfs, so I think all ntfs-mounts are redirected to it.
Typo: ntfs-4g big_smile

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#6 2012-09-03 19:34:17

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Re: NTFS-3G entry need attention

Thank you guys for your replies. I will test your suggestions soon.


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#7 2012-09-03 23:43:13

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Re: NTFS-3G entry need attention

progandy wrote:

When you install ntfs-4g on Arch, it creates a symlink in /usr/bin/mount.ntfs, so I think all ntfs-mounts are redirected to it.

I hope that's a typo - or else I want to know where this mysterious 4g version is smile

Though seriously, and I genuinely don't know. Since ntfs is built in to the kernel, which would take precedence when specifying ntfs - the kernel driver or the linked ntfs-3g?

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#8 2012-09-04 01:04:44

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Re: NTFS-3G entry need attention

If you specify 'ntfs' in fstab the drive will be mounted as if using the command 'mount -t ntfs' – the ntfs-3g driver will not be used.  Only if you specify ntfs-3g will the ntfs-3g driver be used.

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