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#1 2005-09-30 20:12:03

phrakture
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Update Time

From http://www.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch … 06444.html:

Judd wrote:

Hello All,

I've been receiving a few constructive complaints about the apparent lack
of progress within the official areas of Arch development.

Now, we revisit this subject about once every six months, and anyone
that relies heavily on open-source has probably been faced with similar
frustrations, either as an open-source producer or a consumer.

Let me allay any concerns -- Arch moves on, as always.  But currently we've
been bogged down by some large package updates, so the majority of our
efforts have been poured into the Testing repository.  Normally you'd see
this effort appear in Current/Extra instead, where it would be
publicly noticed.

To try and keep everyone on the same page, here's a little list of the main
projects we need to do, and a tentative ordering of them.


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1. We have a list of 600 packages that need to be rebuilt as part of the
gcc4/libtool-slay projects.  We have about 80% of them finished.  The
big move may occur as soon as this Saturday.

2. We need to release soon.  There are some other improvements we really
want to have ready for 0.8, so a new plan has been proposed.  Instead of
releasing a 0.8 soon, we would release a 0.7.1 that has the (almost) same
installation as 0.7, but with an updated package set.  This will give us
time to work on the installer for 0.8.

3. Xorg modularization, by JGC.
Xorg 7.0 is switching to autotooled libraries, splitting up each and
every library they have. This makes parts of Xorg easier maintainable
and makes xorg development easier for people who want to contribute.
When you want to contribute something nowadays it's nearly impossible
without spending two full days investigating the Imake buildsystem.

4. OpenSSL 0.9.8 is out, and we have to rebuild all packages that link to
it.

5. QT4 needs to be packaged.  Tpowa is proposing a side-by-side approach
with QT3 and QT4, as some apps will not build with QT4.

6. Combine kernel26 and kernel26-scsi into one initrd-driven kernel.  This
would be really nice for everyone to have -- I'd like to have this ready
by 0.8.
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In an attempt to keep Arch development activity more visible, we were
thinking of setting up a development Arch blog.  This blog would be
admin'ed by official developers, but anyone involved in Arch development
would be able to post to it.  Basically, we want a way to aggregate all
Arch progress in one place.

The frontpage isn't the best, as that should be reserved for important
announcements and tricky/weird package upgrades.  The dev blog would be
updated much more frequently.  For example, a TU may post about his latest
triumph in getting package X and Y to build with package Z, or whatever.
Developers can post status updates about large/unruly projects like
libtoolslay, or just one of those "i'm still alive but busy" posts that
are so frequent (we devs are popular people in real life, dontcha know).

Now, I know this is yet another web service, and it may not get used and
it may just add yet another place to confuse the newbie.  Let me know if
you feel this is the case.

Another point to bring up is Planet Arch.  The Planet is an RSS aggregator
for some developer blogs.  The one issue with the Planet is that it
aggregates ALL posts from our personal blogs, not just Arch-related ones.
A second point is that all Arch devs (official and un-) may not have
personal blogs to use, so they will need an Arch-hosted one.

As a "workaround" for people that use and like the Planet, we can feed all
the dev blog entries directly into the Planet, so you can still read your
juicy Arch tidbits from there, if you so desire.

Please share your thoughts, and let's keep it constructive.  Constructive
is fun!  smile


- J

Now on OS News: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12051

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#2 2005-09-30 21:34:01

deficite
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Re: Update Time

This is going to be soooooo sweet! Thanks for all the work you put in, Judd! I didn't realize we were going to switch to initng! This is just......awesome!

I'm also excited about seeing the new installer whenever it comes out. Take your time, guys, this sounds WELL worth the wait.

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#3 2005-09-30 21:37:26

dtw
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Re: Update Time

deficite wrote:

This is going to be soooooo sweet! Thanks for all the work you put in, Judd! I didn't realize we were going to switch to initng! This is just......awesome!

Er...we're not - he said initrd (initial ram disk?) not initng.

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#4 2005-09-30 21:54:39

deficite
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Re: Update Time

oh.......well.........that's embarrassing.....

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#5 2005-09-30 22:39:53

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Re: Update Time

Sounds like the new dev blog would be a good replacement for the Planet, right?

Samsara
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#6 2005-09-30 22:50:04

dtw
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Re: Update Time

Not sure it is intended as a replacement.  Planet is not supposed to be development related as I understand it, it's more an aggregation of the blogs of active arch users and contributors, like phrak, myself and others - anyone can have their blog added to planet as I understand it, assuming Jason thinks it is appropriately relevant.

I hope the dev blog will be a much more useful source of information as opposed to the general "musings" of the masses smile  Not that I am against the musings, but a place for everything, eh?

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#7 2005-10-01 03:44:35

jesus franco
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Re: Update Time

Wow, straight from OSNews...

"Dang!
Our database has apparently gone down.
The janitor has been paged to come clean up.
Please check back soon."

lol

I agree with Judd in every way. It's a very nice plan, and idea. I would love to see a Arch Development Blog, it would be awesome!  8)

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#8 2005-10-01 14:07:49

Gullible Jones
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Re: Update Time

Reload the page, their database has not gone down. lol

(Wow, the migration has started... :shock: )

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#9 2005-10-01 14:27:04

ozar
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Re: Update Time

Gullible Jones wrote:

Wow, the migration has started... :shock:

Yep, loads of new updates available with pacman -Syu this morning.  Hopefully, everyone will experience a smooth upgrade.   smile


oz

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#10 2005-10-01 14:52:58

dp
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Re: Update Time

dibblethewrecker wrote:

Not sure it is intended as a replacement.  Planet is not supposed to be development related as I understand it, it's more an aggregation of the blogs of active arch users and contributors, like phrak, myself and others - anyone can have their blog added to planet as I understand it, assuming Jason thinks it is appropriately relevant.

I hope the dev blog will be a much more useful source of information as opposed to the general "musings" of the masses smile  Not that I am against the musings, but a place for everything, eh?

exactly: the dev blog will be standalone but will be also linked in the archplanet. it is not a replacement or something this way because exactly the reasons with that dibblethewrecker argued big_smile


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#11 2005-10-01 15:32:31

bardo
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Re: Update Time

ozar wrote:

Yep, loads of new updates available with pacman -Syu this morning.  Hopefully, everyone will experience a smooth upgrade.   smile

I saw it on the homepage, but I still haven't been able to find an updated server, all the ones I tried are not synchronized yet. Can someone tell me which server to use? Anywhere is good, but I prefer European ones.


dreaming in digital / living in realtime / thinking in binary / talking in ip / welcome to our world...

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#12 2005-10-01 16:04:18

ozar
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Re: Update Time

I'm not sure this is the case, but I'd think the servers are probably frozen until all the updates are uploaded.  Otherwise, it seems to me that too many problems would present themselves.


oz

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#13 2005-10-01 16:33:11

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Re: Update Time

damn! :@

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#14 2005-10-01 22:57:14

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Re: Update Time

They're here............

Targets: alsa-lib-1.0.9-2 aspell-0.60-5 glib2-2.8.2-1 atk-1.10.3-1
         audiofile-0.2.6-2 binutils-2.16.1-2 cracklib-2.8.3-4 curl-7.14.0-2
         db-4.3.28-2 esd-0.2.36-2 expat-1.95.8-2 libmp4v2-1.3-1 faad2-2.0-8
         file-4.15-2 filesystem-0.7-7 flac-1.1.2-3 fontconfig-2.3.2-2
         freetype1-1.3.1-3 freetype2-2.1.10-2 fribidi-0.10.5-2 gcc-4.0.2-1
         gdbm-1.8.3-3 gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-3 gettext-0.14.5-2 gimp-2.2.8-3
         gimp-print-4.2.7-3 glib-1.2.10-5 glibc-2.3.5-6 gmp-4.1.4-3
         gnutls-1.2.6-1 gtk-1.2.10-5 xorg-11R6.8.2-5 cairo-1.0.0-1
         pango-1.10.0-1 gtk2-2.8.4-1 imagemagick-6.2.4-1 imlib-1.9.15-2
         imlib2-1.2.1-2 initscripts-0.7-11 lame-3.96.1-4 lcms-1.14-2
         lesstif-0.94.4-3 libao-0.8.6-2 libart-lgpl-2.3.17-2 libcroco-0.6.0-4
         libexif-0.6.12-4 libgcrypt-1.2.1-2 libglade-2.5.1-2 libgpg-error-1.1-2
         libgsf-1.12.3-1 libidl2-0.8.6-2 libjpeg-6b-4 libmad-0.15.1b-2
         libmikmod-3.1.11-2 libogg-1.1.2-2 librsvg-2.12.2-1 libtasn1-0.2.15-1
         libtheora-1.0alpha5-1 libtiff-3.7.3-2 libungif-4.1.3-2 libusb-0.1.10a-2
         libvorbis-1.1.1-2 libxml2-2.6.22-1 lzo-1.08-4 man-pages-2.08-1
         module-init-tools-3.2pre9-1 heimdal-0.7.1-1 nspr-4.6-2
         mozilla-firefox-1.0.7-1 mozilla-thunderbird-1.0.6-1 nfsidmap-0.10-2
         opencdk-0.5.7-2 pam-0.80-2 parted-1.6.24-1 pcmciautils-008-1
         pcmcia-cs-3.2.8-2 pcre-6.3-1 popt-1.7-3 procinfo-18-3 sdl-1.2.9-1
         shadow-4.0.12-1 startup-notification-0.8-3 sysfsutils-1.3.0-2
         xine-lib-1.1.0-3 xmms-1.2.10-4

Total Package Size:   197.5 MB

Proceed with upgrade? [Y/n]

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#15 2005-10-01 23:40:21

Snowman
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Re: Update Time

Itried  to update but I got a:

error: cannot resolve dependencies for "filelight":
       "gamin" is not in the package set

Gamin is still in the testing repo although packages in extra depends on it :? I haven't post a bug yet as I'm not sure if it's a temporary problem because of the big move.

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#16 2005-10-02 00:01:47

phrakture
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Re: Update Time

Holy bah-jesus! Updates galore....

Rock on guys, and good work!

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#17 2005-10-02 01:31:46

Gullible Jones
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Re: Update Time

Gamin ought be in Extra replacing fam really... As of right now, it does its job flawlessly.

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#18 2005-10-02 01:37:51

Snowman
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Re: Update Time

Gullible Jones wrote:

Gamin ought be in Extra replacing fam really... As of right now, it does its job flawlessly.

Actually, I asked on IRC.  According to neotuli, gamin will stay in testing for a while as it doesn't work well with nfs. He also suggested that forcing the install (skip dependency check) might work if fam is installed.  I'm gonna try that...

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#19 2005-10-02 07:08:17

tpowa
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Re: Update Time

i notified damir, new packge should come soon

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#20 2005-10-02 07:15:44

tbroderick
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Re: Update Time

Just finished updating. Thanks to the devs for their hard work.

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#21 2005-10-02 07:16:44

Snowman
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Re: Update Time

There are also other packages in current/extra that depends on gamin.

I would like to point out that I had a config issue with xorg and/or agpgart not compiled in the kernel ( I have a i915 MB).  I used hwd to generate a new xorg.conf.  I am in X right now and will investigate further tomorrow.   Just wanted to let others know.

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#22 2005-10-02 07:21:45

tpowa
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Re: Update Time

agpgart is now modularized again to make ati users happy

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#23 2005-10-02 11:12:39

dtw
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Re: Update Time

And I have posted clear warnings about just that on this very board:

AGP modularized in 2.6.13 kernel pkgs (DRI issues)

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#24 2005-10-02 11:37:09

awalk
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Re: Update Time

Cheers devs, thanks for the great work!
I'm hoping to get involved in a couple of months, after I finish uni. Hopefully I'll be able to help out.

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#25 2005-10-02 11:37:56

cmp
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Re: Update Time

woah a lot of updates, actually to much for my var partition. I had to bind /var/cache/pacman/pkg to a bigger partition for this update.

Total Package Size:   465.9 MB

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