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#1 2012-10-01 19:35:06

trizcuit
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Laptop getting warm

Been putting off posting a thread about this and thought it'd sort itself out but anyways when my computer is on and running it seems to get noticeably warm on the left side of my laptop. I was checking around about laptop modes and what not but didn't really sort anything. Seems like the fan is constantly on and the left bottom part of my laptop is warm. Was fine on ubuntu awhile back. Is this a driver issue? And what can fix this?

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#2 2012-10-01 20:20:42

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Re: Laptop getting warm

Several things we'll need to see before we can help you out here smile

- Laptop model

- $ dmesg

- $ cat /proc/cpuinfo

- $ lspci

It's probably either your laptop's processor that isn't properly scaling frequency or your graphics setup that needs attention. Hard to tell without additional information smile


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#3 2012-10-02 00:38:44

trizcuit
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Re: Laptop getting warm

I have a hp pavilion m6 laptop.

dmesg: http://pastebin.com/NxSF0bPc

cpuinfo: http://pastebin.com/zSuCQTEA

lspci: http://pastebin.com/dyLxVdck

hope that helps smile

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#4 2012-10-02 03:50:18

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Re: Laptop getting warm

You can try those boot parameters

i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 i915.i915_enable_fbc=1 i915.lvds_downclock=1 i915.semaphores=1 pcie_aspm=force

At least rc6 becouse that is default in ubuntu


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#5 2012-10-02 04:06:43

trizcuit
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Re: Laptop getting warm

cybertorture wrote:

You can try those boot parameters

i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 i915.i915_enable_fbc=1 i915.lvds_downclock=1 i915.semaphores=1 pcie_aspm=force

At least rc6 becouse that is default in ubuntu

Running Arch though smile was saying that I used Ubuntu before and never had this warmness problem.

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#6 2012-10-02 04:50:02

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Re: Laptop getting warm

And, if you could post the output of cpufreq-info   ??


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#7 2012-10-02 08:10:26

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Re: Laptop getting warm

the proper driver for your CPU's frequency scaling seems to be requested, I'd like to see if it's actually loaded though.

Let's see the following:

- $ lsmod

- $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor

- $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq

- $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq


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#8 2012-10-02 16:58:06

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Re: Laptop getting warm

lm-sensors might be a good one to see what the temperatures it reports.
Anything too high for prolonged periods of time without an obvious processor load just needs a cleaning out of the fan and heatsink.


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#9 2012-10-02 19:15:09

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Re: Laptop getting warm

stefanwilkens wrote:

the proper driver for your CPU's frequency scaling seems to be requested, I'd like to see if it's actually loaded though.

Let's see the following:

- $ lsmod

- $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor

- $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq

- $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq


lsmod: http://pastebin.com/PLxxmEG5

scaling_governor: ondemand

max_freq: 2501000

min_freq: 1200000


About cpufreq-info there's no command found.

Last edited by trizcuit (2012-10-02 19:16:04)

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#10 2012-10-02 20:06:53

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Re: Laptop getting warm

Processor frequency scaling seems to be fine, you're using the intel driver for the integrated graphics graphics. I don't see how you would be running hotter on Arch compared to Ubuntu.

Let's check if all your cores have the correct governor set:
- $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu{0,1,2,3}/cpufreq/scaling_governor

Other than that, I'm a little lost here.

Are you putting more or different strain on the system? (different DE perhaps?)
What's on the lower left of your laptop? (hard drive, cpu?)
Have you made sure that there isn't some process causing high system load? ($ top)

*edit*

p.s. which pavilion m6 exactly, various m6 models exist. There should be a numerical model indication, something like m6-1058ca perhaps?

Last edited by stefanwilkens (2012-10-02 20:26:31)


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#11 2012-10-02 23:11:50

trizcuit
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Re: Laptop getting warm

stefanwilkens wrote:

Processor frequency scaling seems to be fine, you're using the intel driver for the integrated graphics graphics. I don't see how you would be running hotter on Arch compared to Ubuntu.

Let's check if all your cores have the correct governor set:
- $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu{0,1,2,3}/cpufreq/scaling_governor

Other than that, I'm a little lost here.

Are you putting more or different strain on the system? (different DE perhaps?)
What's on the lower left of your laptop? (hard drive, cpu?)
Have you made sure that there isn't some process causing high system load? ($ top)

*edit*

p.s. which pavilion m6 exactly, various m6 models exist. There should be a numerical model indication, something like m6-1058ca perhaps?


m6-1045dx is my HP model.

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#12 2012-10-03 01:03:30

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Re: Laptop getting warm

Is Ubuntu running an older kernel? My laptop runs hotter with recent Arch kernels than it did with older ones (~10 degrees or so). Not quite as bad as it was, but still hotter than it used to be. I've got intel graphics, too, but I can't tell what is causing it.


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#13 2012-10-05 22:53:46

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Re: Laptop getting warm

cfr wrote:

Is Ubuntu running an older kernel? My laptop runs hotter with recent Arch kernels than it did with older ones (~10 degrees or so). Not quite as bad as it was, but still hotter than it used to be. I've got intel graphics, too, but I can't tell what is causing it.

Nope Ubuntu is up to date. Still runs cooler than Arch currently is. Not sure if it just needs a processor tweak. Fan seems to run and run though it usually shuts off after a few minutes on other OS's.

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#14 2012-10-05 23:14:58

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Re: Laptop getting warm

Ubuntu might be up to date but that doesn't say whether it is running as recent a kernel as Arch or not. Or did you mean that the kernel versions are the same?


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#15 2012-10-06 06:09:54

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Re: Laptop getting warm

Same here, about 10C difference.

cfr wrote:

Is Ubuntu running an older kernel? My laptop runs hotter with recent Arch kernels than it did with older ones (~10 degrees or so). Not quite as bad as it was, but still hotter than it used to be. I've got intel graphics, too, but I can't tell what is causing it.

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#16 2012-10-07 00:35:19

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Re: Laptop getting warm

same for my Laptop. The temps on archlinux are significantly higher than on Windows. For me thats around 10C difference, too.
I didnt compare it to ubuntu, but I shall do that. Also I will compare the temps of my desktop PC soon (Arch vs Ubuntu vs Windows 7).

I started a similar thread in the German forums some 2 months ago: https://bbs.archlinux.de/viewtopic.php?id=22089


Arch in general seems to be very affected as there is a vast numberof complains  about cpu overheating in the forums
e.g. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=143580
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=148456
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=148695
...

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#17 2012-10-07 03:14:27

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Re: Laptop getting warm

Just to clarify: I was not comparing Arch with another OS. I was comparing Arch now with Arch when I first installed it (and up until a couple of months ago). I have no idea what my machine would do under Windows, Ubuntu or anything else.


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#18 2012-10-10 18:42:15

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Re: Laptop getting warm

I messed around with Windows again cause I couldn't remember if it had this problem. When I booted into it again I just messed around a little to see if it got hot in the area I was talking about and it didn't its slighty warm but not as warm as it is when I'm running Arch. Booted into Arch again after a little bit of activity it gets hot and the fan is always on. Not sure.. I'll probably make some coffee and sit and figure out the issue.

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#19 2012-10-11 00:08:13

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Re: Laptop getting warm

I don't know since the OS's vary quite a bit it's hard to make a comparison.
You can try to use CoreTemp for Windows to see what the actual temperature is instead of guessing.
Lm_sensors on Linux will help determine the temperature there.


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#20 2012-10-11 02:49:38

trizcuit
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Re: Laptop getting warm

Its about a 10 degree difference from Windows 7 to Arch. My CPU usage on Arch isn't high at all its around the same that it would be on Windows maybe a little less. Might just be a driver issue not totally sure.

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#21 2012-10-11 02:50:33

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Re: Laptop getting warm

Yes, I think it would help quite a bit to know what exactly is getting warm.  In my computer for instance, it runs pretty cool, rarely kicking the fans on.  So the hottest thing that I can determine from feeling the bottom of my computer is actually my HDD.  So all these suggestions of how to make your laptop cooler are pretty worthelss without knowing exactly what is getting hot.

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#22 2012-10-11 20:49:09

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Re: Laptop getting warm

I am having the same issue laptop running warmer on new kernel versions when compared to windows or old kernels ,a bit of digging around forums suggested that the issue is due to the open source graphics drivers fault.Sadly i have a radeon hd4k chip which is not supported bythe new proprietary drivers .You could try installing  proprietary drivers and check for over heating.

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#23 2012-10-11 21:54:07

trizcuit
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Re: Laptop getting warm

Diadara wrote:

I am having the same issue laptop running warmer on new kernel versions when compared to windows or old kernels ,a bit of digging around forums suggested that the issue is due to the open source graphics drivers fault.Sadly i have a radeon hd4k chip which is not supported bythe new proprietary drivers .You could try installing  proprietary drivers and check for over heating.

I talked to a guy I know and he said he had the same issue. It seems like this problem is popping up more and more. But I'm more than sure its a graphics problem because on the left side is where its the most hot and that's where my graphics card sits. I'll try the proprietary drivers and see if that puts a dent into it if not I'll just go back to Windows or something and wait it out till some sort of resolution comes up. Also if its any benefit of information my graphics card is an Intel Graphics HD 4000.

cheers.

Last edited by trizcuit (2012-10-11 21:55:00)

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#24 2012-10-12 00:29:56

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Re: Laptop getting warm

FWIW, my HD4000 works great.  Also, what cybertorture told you about the "i915.i915_enable_rc6=1......pcie_aspm=force" parameters are not ubuntu specific.  Your response that you are running Arch is assumed (at least we hope you are seeking Arch support in the Arch forums).  What those parameters do is enable a deep sleep state for your graphics card and various other power saving features.  Except for the psie_aspm, that is for pcie obviously, but is another power saving feature of the kernel.

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#25 2012-10-12 08:46:13

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Re: Laptop getting warm

WonderWoofy, I have a Mobility Radeon 4570HD on my system.
Out of curiosity, what does "works great" means in your system in regards to temperature?
Mine is running on the "low" profile but temperature hovers at around 60C all the time, even with no load, which is definitely higher then wanted.
Also, does the i915 stuff relevant to Intel GPU's only?
Thanks, Adam.

* EDIT *
Using the open source radeon driver.

Last edited by adam777 (2012-10-12 09:31:28)

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