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#276 2012-10-12 11:37:13

ontobelli
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

I have been using systemd for some months in all my machines and it is fast, simple and reliable.   

The only thing I dislike is their command syntax. 

Linux needs standardization and this is a big step forward in the right direction.

Kudos systemd and Arch developers!

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#277 2012-10-12 16:05:46

89c51
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

ontobelli wrote:

The only thing I dislike is their command syntax.

A GUI for systemd (journal, status of units, start stop etc) would be nice i think. Or something like that integrated in the system settings or wherever it fits.

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#278 2012-10-12 16:32:20

WorMzy
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

I has/had one of those. 'systemadm', I think. It got stripped out of the systemd package ages ago, and I never bothered to keep an eye on where it went.

Check with pkgfile and see if it's still around.


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#279 2012-10-12 16:39:14

WonderWoofy
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

I think systemadm still resides in the AUR, but not in the official repos. 

Just checked, and there is a package in the AUR called systemd-ui-git... I assume that is something relevent.

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#280 2012-10-12 21:29:39

Runiq
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

89c51 wrote:
ontobelli wrote:

The only thing I dislike is their command syntax.

A GUI for systemd (journal, status of units, start stop etc) would be nice i think. Or something like that integrated in the system settings or wherever it fits.

Lennart's been toying with something like that, see one of his posts on G+ on the matter.

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#281 2012-10-12 21:53:26

JLloyd13
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

The wiki seems to say one can move to systemd from an existing sysvinit install. Anyone tried this?

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#282 2012-10-12 21:56:09

karol
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

JLloyd13 wrote:

The wiki seems to say one can move to systemd from an existing sysvinit install. Anyone tried this?

I think most people did it this way.
http://allanmcrae.com/2012/08/switching … o-systemd/

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#283 2012-10-12 21:59:41

WonderWoofy
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

I think that if your install procedure included "base" then that is the only way to install systemd at this point.

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#284 2012-10-13 15:45:24

blackout23
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

I simply made an alias for systemd commands in my .zshrc Some of there are way to long.

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#285 2012-10-13 16:22:10

thestinger
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

JLloyd13 wrote:

The wiki seems to say one can move to systemd from an existing sysvinit install. Anyone tried this?

Yes, follow the nice guide on the wiki.

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#286 2012-10-13 17:54:51

WorMzy
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

So it looks like systemd's the default now. Should I put the popcorn on, or do you think the competitors for this year's coveted 'out-of-pram' toy flinging trophy have already called it a day?


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#287 2012-10-13 18:26:58

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

WorMzy wrote:

So it looks like systemd's the default now. Should I put the popcorn on, or do you think the competitors for this year's coveted 'out-of-pram' toy flinging trophy have already called it a day?


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#288 2012-10-13 18:30:40

Runiq
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

WorMzy wrote:

So it looks like systemd's the default now. Should I put the popcorn on, or do you think the competitors for this year's coveted 'out-of-pram' toy flinging trophy have already called it a day?

Uh oh. Dis gon b gud.

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#289 2012-10-13 21:53:48

ngoonee
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Snidely commenting ABOUT those 'competitors' is just as useless and detrimental to SNR as the misguided complaints themselves were. Go do it on the IRC or a blog or something, please, I don't want to have to delete individual posts (being lazy and all).


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#290 2012-10-13 22:31:53

89c51
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Is there anyone that knows what percentage -aproximately- of people using arch have switched to systemd?? From pacman/repository statistics or something?

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#291 2012-10-13 22:34:35

thestinger
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

89c51 wrote:

Is there anyone that knows what percentage -aproximately- of people using arch have switched to systemd?? From pacman/repository statistics or something?

Initscripts depends on systemd, so you wouldn't find out anything interesting from package statistics.

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#292 2012-10-13 22:58:21

tomegun
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

89c51 wrote:

Is there anyone that knows what percentage -aproximately- of people using arch have switched to systemd?? From pacman/repository statistics or something?

You can look at the percentage using systemd-sysvcompat: https://www.archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics. Those are the ones who are on a pure systemd setup. Of course it does not count the people who keep sysvinit around but boot with systemd. Also, there is a few months delay in the statistics.

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#293 2012-10-13 23:31:09

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

tomegun wrote:

You can look at the percentage using systemd-sysvcompat: https://www.archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics. Those are the ones who are on a pure systemd setup. Of course it does not count the people who keep sysvinit around but boot with systemd. Also, there is a few months delay in the statistics.

One can also have systemd without systemd-sysvcompat as well. I'd call that a pure systemd setup. wink


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#294 2012-10-14 01:51:44

caerolle
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

I moved to systemd in a matter of minutes (spread over a couple of evening, was trying to figure out exactly where in the GRUB file to put the 'init=...' in between nights), once a couple of nice people in the Forums helped me understand a couple of things in the wiki entry (WonderWoofy, above, was one). Granted, my install was fairly new, so most of the migration from rc.conf to systemd had been done for me, but it was massively easy once I was helped to understand how simple it all really was.

Currently I am trying to make sure I understand where the things that start up at boot are listed; it was nice to have it all in the rc.conf file, so you could just see it and modify it in a text file, but I really like systemd. I run an Openbox system instead of an desktop environment (and no display manager or session manager, either), and systemd seems to pull a lot of threads together that were more of a pastiche for me in the old system. Overall, I am really glad I made the change!

caerolle  smile

Last edited by caerolle (2012-10-14 01:52:28)

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#295 2012-10-14 01:55:47

WonderWoofy
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

@caerolle, see the man page for systemctl.  That is basically the central command for systemd.  If you just run it on its own, it will show you a bunch of info on everything that is active at the moment.

BTW, I am glad I helped make the transition easier for you.

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#296 2012-10-14 02:05:40

Jristz
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Arch inot moving to systemd, Is using by default in BASE systemd, how you see, now sistemd use sysvinit-compat+systemd as BASE and initscripts no and not

Archlinux are moved to systemd, now mark as solved


Well, I suppose that this is somekind of signature, no?

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#297 2012-10-14 02:10:42

WonderWoofy
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

@Jristz, what?

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#298 2012-10-14 02:13:16

caerolle
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

WonderWoofy, thanks again!  smile

I think jristz may be saying Arch *has moved* to systemd, not *is moving* to systemd?

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#299 2012-10-14 02:15:21

ewaller
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Jristz,

I realize that English may not be your first language, put that post cannot be parsed by native speakers.  Sorry.


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#300 2012-10-14 02:26:47

ZekeSulastin
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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Made sense to me, fwiw:

"Arch is no longer moving to systemd; it's now using systemd by default in base.  initscripts is no longer default, yet systemd and systemd-sysdcompat are (ok, that one was a bit difficult but grokkable by context - it would have helped if he had used the right package names tongue)

Archlinux has moved to systemd.  Please mark this thread as solved."

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