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#1 2012-12-13 10:19:29

Kretikus
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Registered: 2012-12-13
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Why I do not like Arch anymore

Hi,

in the last years arch linux became my favourite Linux Distribution because it was current and simple. Especially the startup with the old init scripts was easy to understood and easy to configure. It was perfect for my need, becaus I did not have any complicated network configuration or other special things. It was just a plain and simple desktop computer in my LAN at home and work.

Now you switched to systemd and the pain started. Systemd is just too complex to understand easily, and I do not see the advantage of a quicker boot. I Boot my system just once a day. I can wait 30 seconds more.

At the beginning my computer only booted up sucessfully every 10th time because it only could mount my windows partition sometimes. It seems that there was a race condition between my dmraid and mounting local file systems.  Systemd could have ignored that mount failure...but no, I had to boot from the live arch CD and get rid of the auto mount...

Now I cannot power off correctly, because systemd just stops trying to unmount my local filesystems (in the pre step) nothing happens it is unclear on what event systemd waits. Having activated a permanent shell on a different terminal I could not see what systemd was doing or why it is waiting.

Are there others that feel the same way? Is there a documentation how to debug those systemd errors?

Regards,

Kretikus

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#2 2012-12-13 10:26:08

graysky
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Re: Why I do not like Arch anymore

Systemd is easy to use once you read the docs.  I am guessing that this is a case of PEBKAC.


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#3 2012-12-13 10:27:55

IsSuE
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Re: Why I do not like Arch anymore

Try reading the Wiki entry for systemd and keep your rant to yourself

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#4 2012-12-13 10:40:55

ackt1c
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From: Visalia, California
Registered: 2012-10-10
Posts: 215

Re: Why I do not like Arch anymore

systemd,

systemctl [enable/disable/start/stop/restart] whatever.service
journalctl 

this was very simple for me to migrate too.
good luck

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#5 2012-12-13 10:54:44

tomk
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From: Ireland
Registered: 2004-07-21
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Re: Why I do not like Arch anymore

Kretikus, if you really do not like Arch anymore, change to a distro that you do like, and stop wasting everyone's time.

If, however, you want help with your issues, leave out the whiny rants, describe your issues in detail, do everything you can to fix them yourself, and ask nicely for help if you can't.

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#6 2012-12-13 11:36:02

Allan
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Re: Why I do not like Arch anymore

I agree.  Arch sucks.

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#7 2012-12-13 11:38:03

graysky
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Re: Why I do not like Arch anymore

Allan wrote:

I agree.  Arch sucks.

tongue

Time to close the thread.


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#8 2012-12-13 12:25:34

Kretikus
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Re: Why I do not like Arch anymore

IsSuE wrote:

Try reading the Wiki entry for systemd and keep your rant to yourself

I did not want to rant, it' just frustating. Even after reading any documentation I found I still cannot make heads or tails out of debug logs that won't help:

[  191.773244] systemd[1]: Stopping Local File Systems (Pre).
[  191.773249] systemd[1]: local-fs-pre.target changed active -> dead
[  191.773253] systemd[1]: Job local-fs-pre.target/stop finished, result=done
[  191.773796] systemd[1]: Stopped target Local File Systems (Pre).
[  191.773850] systemd[1]: Accepted connection on private bus.
[  191.774066] systemd[1]: Got D-Bus request: org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent.Released() on /org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent
[  191.774162] systemd[1]: Got D-Bus request: org.freedesktop.DBus.Local.Disconnected() on /org/freedesktop/DBus/Local


After that the shutdown stalls ... so what happend there please?

Systemd is complex, I'am purely begging for more simplicity.

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#9 2012-12-13 12:47:33

bernarcher
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From: Germany
Registered: 2009-02-17
Posts: 2,273

Re: Why I do not like Arch anymore

graysky wrote:
Allan wrote:

I agree.  Arch sucks.

tongue

Time to close the thread.

Good advice. Done!

@Kretikus: Try to understand what has been documented and discussed at length in the forums. If you want to stay with Arch and cannot really solve some problem you are free to start a new thread and ask to the point.

And, yes, please read the forum etiquette before posting another rant.


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