dbus/hal problem after package upgrade

JGC · 2005-11-17 12:05:47

It is still started from rc.conf, but the daemon drops privileges to the hal user now.

nightfrost · 2005-11-17 12:14:59

ah. that sounds reasonable. thanks.

nightfrost · 2005-11-17 22:17:39

When mounting an external disk through KDE's media://, it is no longer mounted under /media/[volume name], but rather under /media/[device name]. Is it possible to fix?

JGC · 2005-11-17 22:36:01

KDE uses pmount, not pmount-hal. pmount mounts /dev/[devname] to /media/[devname], while pmount-hal mounts to whatever mountpoint hal tells it to mount to.

nightfrost · 2005-11-17 22:55:11

and I guess the use of pmount is hard coded? No easy way to change that?

Stalwart · 2005-11-18 11:36:12

After latest update gnome-volume-manager works again. Thanks!

paulicat · 2005-11-18 20:09:37

There is one small bug when you do a fresh install, there is no /media directory created by default and pmount failes without it...

tbuitenh · 2005-11-19 10:30:08

Pacman would hang without any error at upgrades of hal. Control-c and it would continue upgrading the other packages. After reading the post below, I edited /etc/passwd and /etc/group by hand, adding a user hal (82) and adding it to the groups hal, floppy, optical and storage. It seems this fixed the problem. Reinstalling filesystem and hal did not work.

Penguin wrote:

JGC:
I was messing around trying to manually add the group and user hal from the .install file from the package I had and entered:
sudo /usr/sbin/useradd -c 'HAL daemon' -u 82 -g hal -G floppy,optical,storage -d '/' -s /bin/false hal
this gave me:
useradd: unknown group floppy
useradd: unknown group optical
useradd: unknown group storage
So I reinstalled filesystem and and then hal and now Its working fine without the hang-ups or "Uknown user 'hal" messages.
Why these groups were missing in the first place I have no idea.

Comete · 2005-11-20 22:32:34

hi,

i've just noticed that fstab-sync has been disabled in hal, so the mount points are not created when plugin an usb stick or external device.
Why this choice, i don't understand ? pmount works well but a lot of apps use /etc/fstab and don't support pmount (xfe, rox-filer, etc... )
I can't imagine telling my users: "Now you have to type pmount /dev/sda /media/usbdisk to access you usb stick..." they don't even know what /dev/sda is and how does linux name external devices !
Could it be possible to enable fstab-sync and pmount together ?
PLEASE...

paulicat · 2005-11-21 13:39:48

Comete, if you missed my post above, the bug is in the fact that the /media directory doesn't exists. Create the /media and if you are using gnome, gnome-volume-manager will mount usb sticks and cd's properly now.

Comete · 2005-11-21 13:44:28

/media really exists on my computers but no mount points are created...

Stalwart · 2005-11-21 21:58:35

paulicat wrote:

if you are using gnome, gnome-volume-manager will mount usb sticks and cd's properly now.

gnome-volume-manager works well even without gnome. I use it with fluxbox (desktop box) and openbox (laptop)

MartinZ · 2005-11-21 22:58:14

Well, i have to say that i solved the problem adding this line to pacman.conf

IgnorePkg = hal

I hate the way hal runs now, maybe later i'll like it. Maybe when all the apps that i use suport pmount, i don't know. When ivman did same thing (being it able to run just as user -not root-) i just stopped using it. Unfortunelly, i'm not able to do that with hal...

nightfrost · 2005-11-21 23:06:54

I must say that I'm having problems with this as well. But I still think it's the right thing to do. Somehow, it feels more correct; things that can be run as user should rather be run as user.

If other maintainers and/or developers reason the same way as our maintainers, then the problem is gonna be non-existent soon enough.

Comete · 2005-11-22 08:08:07

For those who don't like this forced switch from fstab-sync to pmount, i have opened a bug report to explain to the maintainer why i think it's a bad idea, at this time:

http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/3514

So if you want to comment it, you're welcome !

nightfrost · 2005-11-22 08:35:41

It's not possible to make it configurable and leave it to the user to choose in the end?

Comete · 2005-11-22 10:12:29

I think that would be a good solution

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#26 2005-11-17 12:05:47

Re: dbus/hal problem after package upgrade

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