AMD Catalyst and XServer 1.14

adirat · 2013-03-19 05:22:24

Hello

I am using the proprietary video driver, tried using xserver 1.14 while it was in testing but it broke my system (i downgraded xserver afterwards).
Catalyst does not support the new xserver which was pushed to the standard repos today. When I try upgrading my system I get the following

:: Starting full system upgrade...
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: xorg-server and catalyst-utils are in conflict. Remove catalyst-utils? [y/N]

Will this upgrade break my system?

andmars · 2013-03-19 08:06:59

you need to stick to xorg 1.13 until catalyst fully supports xorg 1.14. Read;

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AM … positories

and don't forget to allow Vi0l0's pgp keys;

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Vi0L0

adirat · 2013-03-19 12:23:43

I should have checked the wiki more carefully, sorry.

Thank you.

shaurz · 2013-03-19 15:13:18

I added the xorg113 repo but it still has a conflict - do I need to install a different xorg-server package?

andmars · 2013-03-19 15:16:30

shaurz wrote:

I added the xorg113 repo but it still has a conflict - do I need to install a different xorg-server package?

please always post the error or conflict message you get.

shaurz · 2013-03-19 16:32:18

andmars wrote:

shaurz wrote:
I added the xorg113 repo but it still has a conflict - do I need to install a different xorg-server package?
please always post the error or conflict message you get.

$ sudo pacman -Syu
:: Synchronising package databases...
 core is up to date
 extra                                         1415.8 KiB  2.46M/s 00:01 [########################################] 100%
 community                                     1942.4 KiB  2.25M/s 00:01 [########################################] 100%
 multilib is up to date
 xorg113 is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: xorg-server and catalyst-utils are in conflict. Remove catalyst-utils? [y/N]

andmars · 2013-03-19 16:54:26

xorg113 MUST be on top of all the other repos like this;

$ sudo pacman -Syu
:: Synchronising package databases...
xorg113 is up to date
core is up to date
extra                                         1415.8 KiB  2.46M/s 00:01 [########################################] 100%
community                                     1942.4 KiB  2.25M/s 00:01 [########################################] 100%
multilib is up to date

you should read the Wiki page more carefully as it is stated there;

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ca … positories

shaurz · 2013-03-19 17:02:52

Ah, right. Somehow I missed that...

Duxon · 2013-03-20 09:50:55

I tried to avoid upgrading the packages

xorg-server-*
xf86-input-*
xf86-video-*

by using IgnorePkg in /etc/pacman.conf as described in the Wiki.
Weird thing is, the * wildcards don't seem to work.

I added

IgnorePkg = xorg-server-*
IgnorePkg = xf86-input-*
IgnorePkg = xf86-video-*

to /etc/pacman.conf, but pacman still conflicts with xf86-input-evdev:

[duxon@hubert ~]$ sudo pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core is up to date
 extra is up to date
 community is up to date
 multilib is up to date
 archlinuxfr is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: xorg-server: ignoring package upgrade (1.13.3-1 => 1.14.0-2)
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: xf86-input-evdev and xorg-server are in conflict. Remove xorg-server? [y/N] 
error: unresolvable package conflicts detected
error: failed to prepare transaction (conflicting dependencies)
:: xf86-input-evdev and xorg-server are in conflict (xorg-server<1.14.0)

When I add IgnorePkg = xf86-input-evdev , this particular conflict disappears. Why does pacman behave like that? I don't feel comfortable upgrading my system this way.

Last edited by Duxon (2013-03-20 09:54:16)

Lone_Wolf · 2013-03-20 11:43:03

the wiki and manpage for pacman.conf doesn't state anything about using wildcards with IgnorePkg .
Ignoring individual packages and package groups is all that's mentioned.

A list of the groups is here: https://www.archlinux.org/groups/ .
You could ignore the whole xorg group.

Duxon · 2013-03-20 11:49:24

Thank you.
I misinterpret the paragraph.

Duxon · 2013-03-20 12:06:06

Well, I wouldn't recommend ignoring the xorg group and instead use Vi0L0s repo.

Ignoring xorg resulted in xorg-server-common and xorg-server-devel still getting updated to 1.14. That broke Gnome-Shell and I booted into fallback mode. So you really need to take care every xorg related package won't upgrade.

After switching to the repository solution everything is fine again.

Last edited by Duxon (2013-03-20 12:07:52)

Lone_Wolf · 2013-03-20 12:12:46

I had expected something like that would happen, since ignoring packages is dangerously close to doing partial upgrades.
For catalyst users the unofficial repos are best choice now, atleast until amd catches up with xorg.

Sometimes however it's best to let people discover such things for themselves.

Opanos · 2013-03-20 12:21:12

Is there any way for downgrading xorg* ?
I am under fresh -yesterdays- install and i don't have any prior xorg* packages locally.

adirat · 2013-03-20 12:33:56

Opanos wrote:

Is there any way for downgrading xorg* ?
I am under fresh -yesterdays- install and i don't have any prior xorg* packages locally.

You should be able to acces a terminal with ctrl + alt + F1...F12

Add this at the top of the other repositories in /etc/pacman.conf

[xorg113]
Server = http://catalyst.wirephire.com/repo/xorg113/$arch

After that run these as root

# pacman-key --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0xabed422d653c3094
# pacman-key --lsign-key 0xabed422d653c3094
# pacman -Syy
# pacman -S xorg-server

Duxon · 2013-03-20 12:34:59

Yes. Add the [xorg113] repository as described at the beginning of this thread. Then renovate package databases and install xorg* packages.
Make sure the [xorg113] repository is above [extra].

Opanos · 2013-03-20 16:11:53

Everything ok, except touchpad disappear.
Solved with
-S xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse

hal8000 · 2013-03-21 20:32:20

I also could not upgrade ( Xserver 1.14 not compatible with catalyst-utils ).
I solved it by downgrading Xserver to 1.13 and installing an earlier 3.7 series kernel and catalyst-utils.
So far no other problems.

andmars · 2013-03-22 08:23:59

hal8000 wrote:

I also could not upgrade ( Xserver 1.14 not compatible with catalyst-utils ).
I solved it by downgrading Xserver to 1.13 and installing an earlier 3.7 series kernel and catalyst-utils.
So far no other problems.

I have the feeling that many people having an AMD card in their system don't read the Wiki page at all. There it states clearly that catalyst currently doesn't support xorg 1.14. Why are so many people supprised then and post the "not compatible" messages in the forum? Also why would you downgrade to linux kernel 3.7. when Vi0l0 has added the patch to support 3.8.4 (wich is now in [core])? Why are you guys making it so hard on yourselfs when Vi0l0 is doing a phantastic job in providing us with an [xorg113] repository and keeping the Wiki up to date? Is it ignorance or a lack of basic understanding of the Arch philosophy? KISS and RTFM.

http://jasonwryan.com/blog/2012/06/16/misunderstanding/

Last edited by andmars (2013-03-22 18:36:33)

jik779 · 2013-03-22 19:26:07

andmars, the fact you're linking your questionable blog post makes we want to comment on it.
Your use of words and links to other posts, where you describe Arch-Forum heelp-seekers as vampires, leechers, wo should be silently hell-banned, make a clear picture of you: you seem incredible arrogant because of your alleged knowledge with this system and its philosophy.

Maybe you should add a blinking line "read the whole wiki before you post your stupid questions" on top of bbs.archlinux.org.
It's not encouraging users which tried *their* best understanding whats written in the wiki. And no offense, but most paragraphs in the AMD-Graphics related entries are horrible to understand and you dont know wich parts are outdated and which not. If you don't share this oppinion, maybe you should try to to empathize with someone thats not that genius with arch as you and is maybe overwhelmend with this.

andmars wrote:

Why are you guys making it so hard on yourselfs when Vi0l0 is doing a phantastic job in providing us with an [xorg113] repository

I agree that Vi0l0 work is incredible helpfull and i'm thankful that he's providing especially the AURs to us. But you forget that not everyone is comfortable with installing binaries from a User/Server thats not under the control of the Arch-Team. My alarm bells started to ring when I read

andmars wrote:

and don't forget to allow Vi0l0's pgp keys;

That is one of the reasons one maybe does not want to use Ubuntu and their binary backports of everything through the "ppa"'s.

I'd like to state that I do not want to question Vi0l0 thrustworthiness. I'm maybe just a bit paranoid.

Last edited by jik779 (2013-03-22 19:28:11)

MagicSkyFairy · 2013-03-22 21:24:22

andmars wrote:

hal8000 wrote:
I also could not upgrade ( Xserver 1.14 not compatible with catalyst-utils ).
I solved it by downgrading Xserver to 1.13 and installing an earlier 3.7 series kernel and catalyst-utils.
So far no other problems.
I have the feeling that many people having an AMD card in their system don't read the Wiki page at all. There it states clearly that catalyst currently doesn't support xorg 1.14. Why are so many people supprised then and post the "not compatible" messages in the forum? Also why would you downgrade to linux kernel 3.7. when Vi0l0 has added the patch to support 3.8.4 (wich is now in [core])? Why are you guys making it so hard on yourselfs when Vi0l0 is doing a phantastic job in providing us with an [xorg113] repository and keeping the Wiki up to date? Is it ignorance or a lack of basic understanding of the Arch philosophy? KISS and RTFM.
http://jasonwryan.com/blog/2012/06/16/misunderstanding/

Doubt it. I bet beginners just aren't used to the flow of the wiki and miss those extra steps that say "btw if you have a setup like this...".

Lame self promotion by the way. Ignore that. Thought it was your blog.

Last edited by MagicSkyFairy (2013-03-23 00:59:29)

Lone_Wolf · 2013-03-22 23:31:56

Jik779, MagicSkyFairy :

check the date of the blog post, then check threads from around that period.
Hopefully that will make you understand the blogpost.

NOTE : the blog post was written by jasonwryan, (1 of our arch forum moderators) , NOT by andmars.

hal8000 · 2013-03-24 12:51:56

andmars wrote:

I have the feeling that many people having an AMD card in their system don't read the Wiki page at all. There it states clearly that catalyst currently doesn't support xorg 1.14. Why are so many people supprised then and post the "not compatible" messages in the forum? Also why would you downgrade to linux kernel 3.7. when Vi0l0 has added the patch to support 3.8.4 (wich is now in [core])? Why are you guys making it so hard on yourselfs when Vi0l0 is doing a phantastic job in providing us with an [xorg113] repository and keeping the Wiki up to date? Is it ignorance or a lack of basic understanding of the Arch philosophy? KISS and RTFM.
http://jasonwryan.com/blog/2012/06/16/misunderstanding/

Yes, I have read the wiki page and do know that Catalyst driver is not compatible with Xorg 1.14

I agree, Violo is doing a great job and I have tried the Open source xf86-video-ati driver before. The only problem
I have, is that my ATI HD5770 card has a very noisy fan and with the radeon driver and I could not find a wat to set
control fan speed, which is why I am using the catalyst driver.

Last edited by hal8000 (2013-03-24 12:52:49)

andmars · 2013-03-24 20:37:52

jik779 wrote:

Maybe you should add a blinking line "read the whole wiki before you post your stupid questions" on top of bbs.archlinux.org.

I don't have to. Arch has already done so;
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fo … troduction

jik779 wrote:

It's not encouraging users which tried *their* best understanding whats written in the wiki. And no offense, but most paragraphs in the AMD-Graphics related entries are horrible to understand and you dont know wich parts are outdated and which not. If you don't share this oppinion, maybe you should try to to empathize with someone thats not that genius with arch as you and is maybe overwhelmend with this.

Then why don't you participate? Help us make the wiki better! Ask yourself: what's unclear about the wiki article in question? What confuses you? What's unclear to you? If something is unclear for you, it might be unclear for other users, too. Help us clarify wiki articles!

Here's the thing: You may call the Arch community arrogang or elitist, but in reality it's quite the opposite. You just have to acknowlege how rewarding it is to follow the Arch way. How great it feels when you have finally set up your system all by yourself just following the beginner's guide and the rest of the wiki. How much you can learn about Linux along the way. You'll have so many moments where you say: Oh, that's how it works. Oh, finally I get it.
And to be clear: I came to Arch from Ubuntu in 2009 and I had no clue about Linux. And, yes, I was more than overwhelmend by the wiki. But I sticked to it and I'm proud that I did. No one becomes a "genious" in Linux overnight. So expand your knowledge and help us make Arch better!

szebenyib · 2013-03-24 22:06:13

Thanks for the posts, just adding

[xorg113]
Server = http://catalyst.wirephire.com/repo/xorg113/$arch

to the pacman.conf (in front of the other repos) helped, as stated in the wiki. I had had not found that out weren't it for you.

Last edited by szebenyib (2013-03-24 22:06:37)

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