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#1 2013-03-22 08:31:40

beaux_monde
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[RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

Is there the way to do subj? How is iso image of the installation media builded? I assume there is some sources which I can to download and build by myself.
Thank you in advance.

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#2 2013-03-22 11:27:26

Allan
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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

You would need to build everything yourself...   No-one has built Arch for i486 as far as I know.

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#3 2013-03-22 11:33:47

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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

Thank you for your quick reply.

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#4 2013-03-22 14:05:38

nomorewindows
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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

Using the abs tool, you can make makepkg with i486 architecture, probably the easier way.


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#5 2013-03-22 15:41:28

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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

arch linux is way too much bloated for specs you could find on i486 machines.


All design goals must be phrased in such a way that it is hard to use them as slogans to justify stupidity.

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#6 2013-03-22 15:53:33

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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

The wiki has an outdated article about building a i586 version.
You could use it as starting point to create your i486 version... by the way, the idea of a i486 version does not sound too bad, maybe I could help you building some packages (but I can't promise a lot of help; I'm not that interested)

If you are building this for running arch on an old 486 pc (why else would someone do such thing?) you probably will need to optimize the packages (like the kernel) for such old machines.


"open source is about choice"
No.
Open source is about opening the source code complying with this conditions, period. The ability to choose among several packages is just a nice side effect.

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#7 2013-03-22 16:12:50

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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

WOW!
Very nice! Thank you very much!
My topic appeared as a result of need to change distro (currently Ubuntu) used @ something like embedded controller hardware. And now I am in choosing between using ready to use lightweight distro and building Arch for my architecture.

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#8 2013-03-22 16:40:07

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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

Why not use something current for your embedded project e.g. ARM, instead of obsolete stuff like i486? There's an existing ARM port of Arch, so no need to build it yourself.

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#9 2013-03-22 21:56:55

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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

Ohh, I thought this was like a linux for retro hardware project, but is not. (what a bummer tongue)
@tomk: Maybe I'm wrong, but I think is because he/she already owns the embeded hardware, and is more a question about what distro to use there instead of choosing a platform.

But if I'm wrong, and you can choose a platform, yeah, ARM is a better option for that.


"open source is about choice"
No.
Open source is about opening the source code complying with this conditions, period. The ability to choose among several packages is just a nice side effect.

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#10 2013-03-23 07:35:53

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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

I'm a bit biased, but you should take a look at Alpine Linux.


Arch Linux - rolling release distro, which users want to downgrade to the previous version

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#11 2013-03-23 08:54:53

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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

If you have to build everything from scratch for i486, you could as well consider Gentoo wink
But alpine linux  seems to be another good choice. ulibc and busybox are a good basis for an embedded system since this is smaller than glibc with coreutils.

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#12 2013-03-23 12:49:30

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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

chris_l wrote:

The wiki has an outdated article about building a i586 version.
You could use it as starting point to create your i486 version... by the way, the idea of a i486 version does not sound too bad, maybe I could help you building some packages (but I can't promise a lot of help; I'm not that interested)

If you are building this for running arch on an old 486 pc (why else would someone do such thing?) you probably will need to optimize the packages (like the kernel) for such old machines.

If he had a pentium, he could just use the repos from connochaetos.


I may have to CONSOLE you about your usage of ridiculously easy graphical interfaces...
Look ma, no mouse.

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#13 2013-03-23 18:27:46

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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

progandy wrote:

If you have to build everything from scratch for i486, you could as well consider Gentoo wink
But alpine linux  seems to be another good choice. ulibc and busybox are a good basis for an embedded system since this is smaller than glibc with coreutils.

This. If you are going to compile everything from source why not just use a source based distrobution?

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#14 2013-03-23 21:16:04

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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

dodo3773 wrote:

If you are going to compile everything from source why not just use a source based distrobution?

The reason I offered to help was because I would like to have an i486 or i386 port of arch. Once the package would be compiled, it would be easy to install on another old computers.


"open source is about choice"
No.
Open source is about opening the source code complying with this conditions, period. The ability to choose among several packages is just a nice side effect.

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#15 2013-03-25 04:29:19

beaux_monde
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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

chris_l wrote:

@tomk: Maybe I'm wrong, but I think is because he/she already owns the embeded hardware, and is more a question about what distro to use there instead of choosing a platform.

You are right.

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#16 2013-03-25 04:32:37

beaux_monde
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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

So, thank you all!
I think I'll investigate alpine option.

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#17 2013-04-03 16:21:56

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Re: [RESOLVED] Getting arch for other (i486) platform

There's an archived version of DeliLinux on sourceforge.net under the virtualboximages project.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtualboximage/files/  This might possibly be a start even though it might be way outdated.


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