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#1 2013-03-20 17:15:39

tpowa
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2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

Hi Arch community,

Arch Linux (archboot creation tool) 2013.03-4, "2k13-R1" has been released.

Homepage and for more information on archboot:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Archboot

Summary:
- major update/cleanup on all components

Hybrid image files and torrents are provided, which include
i686 and/or x86_64 core repository. Please check md5sum before using it.

Hybrid image file is a standard CD-burnable image and also a raw disk image.
    - Can be burned to CD(RW) media using most CD-burning utilities.
    - Can be raw-written to a drive using 'dd' or similar utilities.
      This method is intended for use with USB thumb drives.

Please get it from your favorite arch linux mirror:
https://downloads.archlinux.de/iso/archboot/2013.03/
<yourmirror>/iso/archboot/2013.03/

/boot for PXE/Rescue files are provided here:
https://downloads.archlinux.de/iso/arch … 13.03/boot
<yourmirror>/iso/archboot/2013.03/boot

Changelog:

GENERAL:
- kernel 3.8.4 / LTS kernel 3.0.70
- pacman 4.0.3 usage
- RAM recommendations: 768 MB
- major update/cleanup on all components

Kernel changes:
- bump to latest 3.8.x series and bump lts to latest 3.0.x series

Environment changes:
- updated pacman mirrorlist
- replaced netcfg with netctl
- removed ide-legacy hook
- replaced arch_virtio, arch_fw with block hook
- replaced usbinput with keyboard hook
- replaced dbus-core with dbus
- bump to latest mkinitcpio code
- bump syslinux from 4.x to 5.0
- removed bind and dnsutils
- blacklist floppy module during boot

setup changes:
- replaced netcfg network setup with netctl
- always install netctl instead of netcfg
- replaced gummiboot-efi with gummiboot
- removed initscripts compat mode
- always install systemd-sysvcompat
- updated gummiboot install routine
- updated refind install routine
- removed persistent soundcard and network hack,
  systemd handles everything now.
- no need to add hostname to /etc/hosts anymore

quickinst changes:
- removed initscripts compat mode
- removed rc.conf hint
- removed double check on ntfs

Further documentation can be found on-disk and on the wiki.
Thanks to all beta testers, which reported bugs during this development period.
Have fun!

greetings
tpowa

Last edited by tpowa (2013-03-23 19:22:43)

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#2 2013-03-20 17:39:53

slint
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

Does it have systemd 198, which by default mounts the esp to /boot? (http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/NEWS)

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#3 2013-03-20 17:49:00

tpowa
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

It has systemd 198 on it. Though I cannot test any uefi related stuff. You need to try what it does.

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#4 2013-03-21 02:36:58

KairiTech
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

The code below worked perfectly with the previous version of Archboot but with this new version it does not add the boot entry to the NVRAM and there are no error messages. Any idea why that might be?

echo "initrd=\EFI\arch\initramfs-linux.img root=/dev/mapper/vgTESTDrive-lvRoot cryptdevice=/dev/md33:vgTESTDrive add_efi_memmap pcie_aspm=force quiet" | iconv -f ascii -t ucs2 | efibootmgr --create --write-signature --gpt --disk /dev/sdd --part 1 --label "-=[[[TESTING]]]=- 2013-03-20 22:25:42" --loader '\EFI\arch\vmlinuz-linux.efi' --append-binary-args -

-=[ LIVE enabled UEFI with redundant syslinux pure systemd detached LUKS header partitionless encrypted GPT SSDx3 RAID0 because I can.  ]=-

Backward compatibility is for the masses. There's no dual-boot here...

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#5 2013-03-21 06:37:45

dext
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

RAM recommendations: 768 MB

That surprised me. I'm running VPS with 352 MB RAM: nginx, php-fpm, mysql, openvpn, prosody, tor, polipo, dnsmasq, and on top of that 100MB RAM eater Redmine. And I'm quite fine.

In my opinion 768MB sounds scary.


English is not my first language, so please forgive me for my mistakes.

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#6 2013-03-21 06:47:13

tpowa
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

It's archboots design to need so much RAM;
initrd.img=100MB
kernel image= 2MB
+ decompressed size
with 768 it works, you can try with less memory but it will probably fail.

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#7 2013-03-21 06:59:23

dext
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

I didn't copy ready instalation. I'm using XEN-HVM. Provider mounted Arch ISO in my virtual cd-rom, so I've used archboot.

But I know, there are more things to consider, so you're right. 768MB recommendation for archboot sounds reasonable.


English is not my first language, so please forgive me for my mistakes.

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#8 2013-03-21 08:03:28

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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

I'm new here.  I set up Arch a little less than a week ago. Is it recommended that we mirror these changes?  I know arch is all about giving power to the users and I know that I don't have to if I don't want to, but should I?

The netcfg to netctl is what grabbed my attention.

Last edited by MagicSkyFairy (2013-03-21 08:04:00)


I have wasted atleast a second of your time by making you read my signature.

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#9 2013-03-21 08:07:05

tpowa
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

It just means that in the install routine netctl is used instead of netcfg. If you already have a running system you don't need to reinstall.
Soon netcfg will be dropped from [core] and replaced with netctl. It's just that this version already supports this change, which will happen soon.

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#10 2013-03-22 22:39:19

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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

It fails for me when trying to install using wifi.

I chose to setup the network in the installer menu, I selected the wireless interface w*,  then wireless, essid not hidden, encrypted, and then WPA.
And it returns to the menu ! I can't event type the passphrase, so it is not a wrong passphrase issue.

Network is not configured and then the rest of the installation fails.

Used 2013.03-3 x86_64 iso, on a usb-stick. Thinkpad T500,
00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03)
03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection

Nothing appears in the log on VT7.

Hope it helps...

Fred

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#11 2013-03-23 09:01:55

openfred
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

Sorry to report the bug here, but I had a look at:
http://archlinux.mirrors.ovh.net/archli … Readme.txt
"If you find a bug, please mail the archboot developer directly.
- Arch Linux Bugtracker:   http://bugs.archlinux.org"

But there is no bug reported in Arch bug tracker, about archboot.
I searched archboot in "Search this project for"...
It seems weird no bug is reported, and then I don't know if I need to fill a bug report...

Fred

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#12 2013-03-23 11:03:41

tpowa
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

It's not very often that bug entries about archboot are listed on normal bug tracker.
The forum thread or mailing me about issues is ok.
I'll take a look at it, the code changed to netctl usage so could be that I missed something on that.
You can still use the CD mode to install, all packages are only 4 days old on image.

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#13 2013-03-23 12:18:52

tpowa
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

Error located and fixed on archboot git. New image files will appear soon on mirrors.

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#14 2013-03-24 23:30:00

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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

Cool, I just download 2013.03-4 and tested.
The issue is solved, and I've been able to configure the network fine.

However, please find hereafter the results of my tests.

- When booting install media with LTS kernel, then it may be good to install LTS kernel ?
  latest kernel (3.8) were installed instead.
- When installing grub (BIOS/grub-bios), I had only the choice between /dev/sda (target drive) and /dev/sdb (USB boot drive).
  Would it be possible to be presented the option to install grub in a partition (ex: /dev/sdX) ?
  For testing reason, I installed Arch with archboot on another partition, as I am chainloading from another "main" partition.
- After the installation, network is not working, AND /etc/netctl is empty...
  So I wonder if it is normal, as this new version of Archboot seems to provide...netctl :-)

I made 2 installations:
- 1st with the following groups: base, base-devel, all xfce4, all xorg
  The result was a system with no graphical Interface, and startx not able to start X
- 2nd with only base and base-devel, which results in a bootable system with empty /etc/netctl.

Well, Archboot seems not able to provide what I was expecting, and I will use classical installation process with pacstrap etc...

Good luck for Archboot, and I hope this feedback will help you.
Cheers
Fred

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#15 2013-03-25 06:14:59

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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

I try to install to a LVM already created but in every step that imply check RAID the archscript stuck and never continue
at the end of 2 min I decide kill it

This affect any LVM created previous to any step that imply the routine of check RAID, LVM and etc

meng, this was the bugiest Archboot??? (Real Question, no joke)


Well, I suppose that this is somekind of signature, no?

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#16 2013-03-25 06:15:27

tpowa
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

Thanks for your report.
- LTS kernel should be indeed installed if booting LTS kernel, this is a real bug.
  The routine has not changed since quite some time, have to look at it.
- I think only allowing full devices on bootloader was intentional and is not a bug.
- No netctl interfaces on intalled media is a real bug.
- Archboot will never configure X for you, as no other archlinux install media will do this.

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#17 2013-03-25 06:18:44

tpowa
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

Jristz wrote:

I try to install to a LVM already created but in every step that imply check RAID the archscript stuck and never continue
at the end of 2 min I decide kill it

This affect any LVM created previous to any step that imply the routine of check RAID, LVM and etc

meng, this was the bugiest Archboot??? (Real Question, no joke)

The main LVM activation and rules have changed, i'll look into that. If you don't use a already created LVM does it work?

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#18 2013-03-25 06:28:48

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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

tpowa wrote:
Jristz wrote:

I try to install to a LVM already created but in every step that imply check RAID the archscript stuck and never continue
at the end of 2 min I decide kill it

This affect any LVM created previous to any step that imply the routine of check RAID, LVM and etc

meng, this was the bugiest Archboot??? (Real Question, no joke)

The main LVM activation and rules have changed, i'll look into that. If you don't use a already created LVM does it work?

I never get how make a LVM using the fancy menu, maybe lack of propper adverticenmentsor was me??

but I receive the bug only whit the only precence of a LVM on a partition (not mount not activated only existing), maybe I have (only 1 usb mounted) 1 hd and 2 usb.


Well, I suppose that this is somekind of signature, no?

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#19 2013-03-25 07:33:00

tpowa
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

openfred wrote:

- When booting install media with LTS kernel, then it may be good to install LTS kernel ?
  latest kernel (3.8) were installed instead.

Fixed in archboot git syslinux changed boot parameter names.

openfred wrote:

- When installing grub (BIOS/grub-bios), I had only the choice between /dev/sda (target drive) and /dev/sdb (USB boot drive).
  Would it be possible to be presented the option to install grub in a partition (ex: /dev/sdX) ?
  For testing reason, I installed Arch with archboot on another partition, as I am chainloading from another "main" partition.

For grub it is recommended to use a grub boot partition.
You can use syslinux for installing to a partition.

openfred wrote:

- After the installation, network is not working, AND /etc/netctl is empty...
  So I wonder if it is normal, as this new version of Archboot seems to provide...netctl :-)

Please tell me what you have done, on my virtual machine all works as it should.
You need to setup your connection with installer and choose autoconfiguration yes on system configuration.

Last edited by tpowa (2013-03-25 08:33:47)

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#20 2013-03-25 08:15:28

tpowa
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

Jristz wrote:

but I receive the bug only whit the only precence of a LVM on a partition (not mount not activated only existing), maybe I have (only 1 usb mounted) 1 hd and 2 usb.

How did you manage to not have an activated lvm after boot? Normally archboot enables lvm devices during bootup.

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#21 2013-03-25 09:31:07

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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

tpowa wrote:

For grub it is recommended to use a grub boot partition.
You can use syslinux for installing to a partition.

I only use syslinux when creating a bootable usbstick install. Never on the buil-in hdd.
True you get a warning when using grub-install to install in a partition, but if partitions are well created (ex. with gparted), chainloading is working that way
# grub-install --force /dev/sda7

tpowa wrote:

Please tell me what you have done, on my virtual machine all works as it should.
You need to setup your connection with installer and choose autoconfiguration yes on system configuration.

Installation on /dev/sda7, swap on /dev/sda5.
Wireless: interface w*, enter essid, not hidden, wpa, accept dhcpd (in core) because working.
Then packages installed are just group _base_ and _base-devel_
Wait for __ages__ for all the packages to be browsed.
Then the system installs well, reboot.

And the result is a system with no /etc/netctl.

Fred

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#22 2013-03-25 10:12:38

tpowa
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

openfred wrote:

I only use syslinux when creating a bootable usbstick install. Never on the buil-in hdd.
True you get a warning when using grub-install to install in a partition, but if partitions are well created (ex. with gparted), chainloading is working that way
# grub-install --force /dev/sda7

Seems this is now possible again, there were times where it errors out all the time, I can consider readding this in a future release.

openfred wrote:

Wait for __ages__ for all the packages to be browsed.

This needs only ages if you use [extra] repository too.

openfred wrote:

And the result is a system with no /etc/netctl.

Ah now I understand why, you use ftp installation and netctl is still in testing repositoy and cannot be installed.
This will fixup itself when netctl will move out of testing repository.

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#23 2013-03-25 10:29:35

tpowa
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

openfred wrote:

Nothing appears in the log on VT7.

Fixed in git to mention to check journalctl -xn instead of tty7.

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#24 2013-03-25 12:18:58

openfred
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

tpowa wrote:

This needs only ages if you use [extra] repository too.

True ! No need to activate [extra] for a base install; I installed the full monty just before, and I checked [extra] for the 2nd installation.
My mistake.

tpowa wrote:

Ah now I understand why, you use ftp installation and netctl is still in testing repositoy and cannot be installed.
This will fixup itself when netctl will move out of testing repository.

Well, I did a net install, don't know if I used http or ftp, but the installation was done using netinstall.
I wonder how you were able to get netctl installed, with netinstall in [testing] repo, before you release ?
Even with if using a virtual machine...

tpowa wrote:

Fixed in git to mention to check journalctl -xn instead of tty7.

Well, VT7 is great, is there a way to continue displaying logs to VT7 ?
Instead of using journalctl on another VT.
Most people are used to switch to another VT to get logs (Debian syndrom ? ;-))
I am kiding, journalctl sounds fine, I'm not yet used to systemd and all the reintented wheels...

Fred

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#25 2013-03-25 13:43:53

tpowa
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Re: 2013.03-4 archboot "2k13-R1" ISO hybrid images released

openfred wrote:

Well, I did a net install, don't know if I used http or ftp, but the installation was done using netinstall.
I wonder how you were able to get netctl installed, with netinstall in [testing] repo, before you release ?
Even with if using a virtual machine...

Normally I only test CD mode and not FTP mode. This was my mistake. It will solve itself in a few days.

openfred wrote:

Well, VT7 is great, is there a way to continue displaying logs to VT7 ?
Instead of using journalctl on another VT.

Well netctl is systemd based so there have to be a way to log to a vt that I don't know at the moment.

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