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#1 2005-11-29 11:52:19

AndyRTR
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arch64 - development organisation

I´m glad to see the arch64.org server coming back. Can´t wait to have a look at some pkgbuilds in svn.

I want to help arch64 becoming the best x86_64 distribution out there. As soon as I will have finished setting up the box I will start building packages. Now I´ve got a few questions...

1. How many packagers do we have? Only those shown here: http://arch64.org/?page=developers ?

2. Is the wiki up to date for the subversion access? Does everyone have open access for uploading pkgbuilds and binary packages?

3. How will I know who is the maintainer for a special package? Shouldn´t we have something like AUR setup for all the packages in "extra" so that each package only belongs to one maintainer?

4. From what I have found out there are two parts of packages: those which build fine on x86_64 and some which need to be patched or configured differently. The first ones should be easily maintained and should soon be updated after a new version is out for arch32. For the others we should work together using a wiki or a weekly "pkgbuild day" on IRC. The goal is to get as much as possible running from arch32/current. A working install ISO is a killer feature for most users.

5. And maybe I missed a lot of all those little solutions because you were talking about that on IRC. Having those things in a good forum would help a lot. So I would prefer a extra part in the official forum or even our own one. Much discussion has been in some very long threads. It´s hard to search through them.

Ok. I hope you will read it and we could open the development process a little bit more to get things quicklier usable/stable. Then I guess some more user will join our arch64 development/testing.

AndyRTR

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#2 2005-11-29 16:41:54

Dusty
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Re: arch64 - development organisation

AndyRTR wrote:

I want to help arch64 becoming the best x86_64 distribution out there. As soon as I will have finished setting up the box I will start building packages. Now I´ve got a few questions...

Subscribe to the arch-ports mailing list, we tend to talk more there than here. I just sent a message out addressing some of these issues.

1. How many packagers do we have? Only those shown here: http://arch64.org/?page=developers ?

I think that's it. Pretty much anybody is allowed to join right now, we don't have an official elitist team in place or anything. Like some people we know. ;-)


2. Is the wiki up to date for the subversion access? Does everyone have open access for uploading pkgbuilds and binary packages?

I doubt the wiki is up to date.

svn checkout https://svn.arch64.org/svn/Arch64

worked for me. Its not open access for uploading, we'd get too much warez and porn on the server. If you build a package or two and send the PKGBUILD to arch-ports, I'm sure we'll be glad to review it and give you access. This isn't my call though, so don't take this for granted.


3. How will I know who is the maintainer for a special package? Shouldn´t we have something like AUR setup for all the packages in "extra" so that each package only belongs to one maintainer?

No.  Eventually we'll do it the way the arch-devs do it, which is not like AUR. Right now, we don't have enough devs, so you can basically update any package you like. Whoever gets to it first gets the joy of updating it. I am trying to get people to let others know what packages they are working on (maybe setting up a wiki page) so we don't duplicate effort, but there aren't enough of us to worry about it right now. We need to get the existing packages up to date and add some new ones for now, we won't worry too much about organization.

4. From what I have found out there are two parts of packages: those which build fine on x86_64 and some which need to be patched or configured differently. The first ones should be easily maintained and should soon be updated after a new version is out for arch32. For the others we should work together using a wiki or a weekly "pkgbuild day" on IRC. The goal is to get as much as possible running from arch32/current. A working install ISO is a killer feature for most users.

Yeah.... eventually. ;-)

5. And maybe I missed a lot of all those little solutions because you were talking about that on IRC. Having those things in a good forum would help a lot. So I would prefer a extra part in the official forum or even our own one. Much discussion has been in some very long threads. It´s hard to search through them.

Use the mailing list.  IRC sucks, and forums aren't great either.

Ok. I hope you will read it and we could open the development process a little bit more to get things quicklier usable/stable. Then I guess some more user will join our arch64 development/testing.

I'm trying to get a bit of organization going, but don't rush it too much. We have more important things at the moment.... find my recent post to the arch-ports list and the archives and respond to it. Feel free to add some wiki pages for tutorial and to collect some of the info in the very long (poorly designed) threads you mentioned.

I have to go, I know I sound terse, but I'm not, just in a hurry.... thanks so much for your interest.

Dusty

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#3 2005-11-30 11:00:46

AndyRTR
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Registered: 2005-10-07
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Re: arch64 - development organisation

Dusty wrote:

Subscribe to the arch-ports mailing list, we tend to talk more there than here.

There´s no archive for this mailing list?

If you build a package or two and send the PKGBUILD to arch-ports, I'm sure we'll be glad to review it and give you access. This isn't my call though, so don't take this for granted.

Hm. I´ve done some in the arch32 AUR. You will find them. And you should know that I´ve been a rpm packager for MandrivaUser.de for a long time ;-)

As I have understood I should upload not only pkgbuilds like for AUR. I guess for arch64 everyone will upload the binaries too.

No.  Eventually we'll do it the way the arch-devs do it, which is not like AUR. Right now, we don't have enough devs, so you can basically update any package you like. Whoever gets to it first gets the joy of updating it. I am trying to get people to let others know what packages they are working on (maybe setting up a wiki page) so we don't duplicate effort, but there aren't enough of us to worry about it right now. We need to get the existing packages up to date and add some new ones for now, we won't worry too much about organization.

If we are only a few packagers this may still work.


Use the mailing list.  IRC sucks, and forums aren't great either.

The list has been quiet inactive the last time. I don´t care what medium to use. But all final trouble sollution should be written down so that every arch64 newcomer can easily find it. I´ve already registered for the wiki smile

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#4 2005-11-30 16:18:04

Dusty
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Re: arch64 - development organisation

I get the feeling your a bit full of your own accomplishments, but barring that, here are the arch-ports archives:

http://www.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-ports/

For arch64, you would be contributing PKGBUILDs using subversion. You would also upload the packages using sftp or scp. All you need is an account, and c14n is the guy to bug for that. (c14n@arch64.org), although you may also want to run it by Syamajala as he's the boss and ultimately decides who is on the team.

If you want to volunteer to be arch64 documentor and write wiki pages, I'm pretty sure no-one will object. I've tried to write some simple tutorials, but I have no time to keep things up to date or make them more reader-friendly. Arch64 is not near ready for mainstream yet, unfortunately. Right now its about working out bugs and increasing the package base.

Dusty

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