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#26 2004-01-25 22:22:49

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

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     Attempted the instructions....

     pacman -S coreutils

     result   .... could not open sync database..extra:have you used  --refresh yet?       ( it requires FTP connection)

     attempted :

      pacman -S iputils

      Result:  same as above

      Attempted:

      Pacman -Sf coreutils

     result : same as above


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#27 2004-01-25 22:24:30

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

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     Attempted the instructions....

     pacman -S coreutils

     result   .... could not open sync database..extra:have you used  --refresh yet?       ( it requires FTP connection)

     attempted :

      pacman -S iputils

      Result:  same as above

      Attempted:

      Pacman -Sf coreutils

     result : same as above


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#28 2004-01-25 22:31:45

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

The last time you upgraded must have been a millenia ago...

pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/coreutils-5.0-1.pkg.tar.gz
pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/iputils-020927-3.pkg.tar.gz
pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/module-init-tools-0.9.14-3.pkg.tar.gz


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#29 2004-01-25 22:58:53

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

big_smile  smile Xentac:

     Performed all procedures successfully.

     The problems remain after reboot.

     Attempted depmod -a and received an error message...can't open /lib/modules/2.4.21/modules.dep for writing


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#30 2004-01-25 23:04:22

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

Are you using the default kernel package?

What version is it? pacman -Q kernel

It looks like we'll have to figure out this lilo error.  Your kernel is supposed to be version 2.4.24.  Lilo is still using the old file (which doesn't exist), so you're lucy you can even boot.


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#31 2004-01-25 23:30:32

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

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    pacman -Q kernel        ..... kernel 2.4.24-1 returned


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#32 2004-01-26 00:34:30

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

big_smile  smile Xentac;

     The pacmansave lilo referred to disc0/part2 for root
   

     My lilo for root refers to disc0/part3 for root


    If I don't change my Lilo to disc0/part2 , what happens?

     Part 2 of disc0 is defined as type 82 , swap in my partitions


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#33 2004-01-26 00:51:45

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

Think you could post your lilo.conf?  And your fstab?

That will probably help to fix your lilo problems.


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#34 2004-01-26 20:33:02

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

big_smile  smile Xentac:

     Please excuse my tardiness.  Have contracted sinusitis and feel pretty much out of it.

     In addition, my DSL went down (again) so had to get it fixed.

     I cannot get the files transferred so I must type it all;

    Lilo file
     #/etc/lilo.conf.
     boot=/dev/discs/disc0/disc
     # This line often fixes L40 errors on boot-up
     # disk=/dev/discs/disc0/disc   bios=0x80
     
      default=arch
      timeout=50
      LBA32
      prompt



          image=/boot/vmlinuz
                    label="archLinux"
                    root=/dev/discsdisc0/part3
                    append="devfs=mount ide=reverse"
                   

  #other=/dev/discs/disc1/part1
  #label="win98"
  #table=/dev/discs/disc1

#End of file



      Next, /Sbin/lilo -v

    Lilo Version 22.5.8
        Released 10 October-2003 compiled Oct 10,2003
       


       Reading boot sector from /dev/discs/disc0/disc
         
           Using MENU secondary loader
           Calling map_insert_data
           Boot image:/boot/vmlinuz
            Added ArchLinux


      Fatal:  Default image doesn't exist


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Fstab

#
#/etc/fstab:Static file system information
#       <file system>           <dir>      <type>    <options>    dump   pass
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------#/dev/#EXT2FS_BOOT# /boot/          ext2     defaults            0          0
#/dev/#REISERFS_ROOT#    /           reiserfs defaults            0          0
#/dev/#EXT2FS_ROOT#       /           ext2      defaults            0          0
#/dev/#SWAP#                 swap       swap     defaults            0          0
#/dev/#REISERFS_HOME#  /home     reiserfs defaults            0          0
#/dev/#EXTFS_HOME#       /home     ext2      defaults            0          0



/devcdroms/cdrom0          /mnt/cd     iso9660  roowner,noauto, unhide   0   0
--------------------
/dev/cdroms/cdrom0        /mnt/dvd    udf     ro,owner,noauto,unhide   0    0
-----------------------------
/dev/floppy/0                   /mnt/fl       vfat    owner,noauto,unhide  0   0
none                                proc          proc      defaults                 0   0
none                               /dev/shm    tmpfs    defaults                 0   0
tmpfs                              /tmp           tmpfs   size=26,nr_inodes=10k   0    0
--------------
/dev/discs/disc0/part3                       /ext3     defaults                  0   0
/dev/discs/disc0/part1      /boot         /ext3      defaults                  0   0
/dev/discs/disc0/part2      swap           swap     defaults                 0   0

/dev/sda1                       /mnt/fat2     vfat       defaults,user          0   0
/dev/cdroms/cdrom1       /mnt/cdrw  iso9660   ro,owner,noauto     0    0

/dev/discs/disc2/part1     /mnt/fat1     vfat       defaults,user          0    0
/dev/discs/disc3/part1     /mnt/fat       vfat       defaults, user         0    0
/dev/discs/disc1/part1     /mnt/fat3      vfat       defaults, user        0    0





       I suspect that the fatal condition prevents pacman from upgrading thedefective system.  In other words, cannot correct the mishap unless the system is cleaned up and then run pacman again.


     I have had three instances of loss os DSL in a months time and am not apprised of the failure cause by Verizon...they don' admit to a thing!!!!


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#35 2004-01-27 08:55:00

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

Since it seems the kernel version reported by Pacman may not be the one which is actually being booted, maybe try uname -a to get the kernel version, or if that doesn't work, look at the start of dmesg output.

Do you say you have no vmlinuz (or vmlinuz followed by a version number) in /boot ?  What are the contents of /boot ?  I note that you have it on a separate partition and I wonder if it is actually being mounted.   That would account for lilo being unable to find /boot/vmlinuz! In your fstab you have the line:

/dev/discs/disc0/part1 /boot /ext3 defaults 0 0

The / before ext3 should, I suggest, not be there and may prevent the system recognising that partition as ext3 and therefore from mounting it.  However, I realise you have had to type this out manually so this may just be a typo.

Any errors on booting regarding disc0/part1 ?

If you cannot see vmlinuz in boot, can you do a search of the entire filesystem for vmlinuz* ?

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#36 2004-01-27 17:02:43

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

:
D  :)Dauphin;

     Entered uname-a

     result:  LINUX n6re 2.4.21 #1 SMP TUE Jul18 19:14:52 PDT 2003 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux

     Previous search for pacamn kernel listed a different kernel but it is obvious it isn't loaded.

     /Boot lists:


     /boot.2240
     File kconfig
     File System map
     File with ? vmlinuz     (file must be binary or compressed :unreadable)
                  Cannot identify it.

     ran dmesg....no listing of kernel version

     My listing of /ext was a typo error..usually more attentive but have a bad sinus cold.

     What should I do next?


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#37 2004-01-27 17:33:08

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

I don't know! 
I was just looking at man lilo and one of the options is:

/sbin/lilo -I        inquire path name of current kernel

If that could put us on the trail of where lilo is finding the kernel it is currently booting, it might give a clue as to where you will find 2.4.24.  Somehow I doubt it, but worth a try??

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#38 2004-01-27 18:13:42

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

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     No help there, Dauphin


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#39 2004-01-27 18:23:16

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     Perhaps I should try a force of the new kernel.

     I feel the Fatal note in lilo means what it sez


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#40 2004-01-27 23:05:14

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

What do you mean vmlinuz has a '?'?  Does it have it in the name, or is it one of the other information columns that has vmlinuz?  I bet that installing the kernel package again will get you a proper vmlinuz file, like you said.  After that a lilo should get you all booted and working again.


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#41 2004-01-27 23:13:30

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    The vmlinuz entry in /boot has an icon of :   a page with a big question mark .... I do not know what that signifies.

     What command is necessary to enter the cache'd pacman kernel so that I cannot do it wrongly?


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#42 2004-01-27 23:22:12

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

Ah, the question mark was a DE thing.  I thought you were typing ls and seeing a question mark somewhere.

The easiest way to do it wrongly is to not understand what you're doing tongue

All cached packages are stored in /var/cache/pacman/pkg.  In there there should be a file called kernel-2.4.24-1.pkg.tar.gz.

So, the command is

pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/kernel-2.4.24-1.pkg.tar.gz


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#43 2004-01-27 23:37:10

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     Performed the upgrade of the kernel with no conflicts.

     Performed /sbin/lilo -v  ....result :  same as listed in previous post.

     Do I need to reboot as well?


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#44 2004-01-28 10:25:11

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

I think I have the answer!
In your /etc/lilo.conf, the default is arch.  But further down, the label for your image is archLinux.  So lilo is looking for an image called arch to use as default, but only finds one called archLinux. 
Hence it reports: Fatal: Default image doesn't exist!

So all you need to do is edit /etc/lilo.conf to make the default and the label match  - what you call them doesn't matter as long as you are consistent.  Then run lilo again and you should be away!

That's the theory anyway - fingers crossed it will work in practice.   I'm hopeful it will resolve your lilo problem, but less confident it's going to cure the rest.

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#45 2004-01-28 16:26:46

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big_smile  smile Dauphin;

   Kudos to your insight into the simple solution to the whole problem

    The /sbin/lilo is now correct and the system is restored along with new fonts in this post.

     I address you from arch at this time.
     I wonder a bit about upgrading arch with pacman if the system has been augmented with programs from other distros (I have no such) but would be made aware of the consequences of doing such.

     I have had the arch mismatch in lilo since day one because the description of what to enter does not tie the two entries together and as such constitutes a mistake in procedure description.

     You certainly win this battle in spades, laddie!!!

     Top 'o' the marnin' to ye!!!


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#46 2004-01-28 16:35:35

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Good eye dauphin!


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#47 2004-01-28 16:57:51

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Re: Pacman -Syu removes internet access

Very pleased it worked.  Credit goes to the knowledgeable Mr Google as usual!
Lilsirecho - I don't think you should let this worry you about using pacman in future.  I have found it very reliable - hope those do not prove to be famous last words.  But I do make an imaged backup of my entire Arch installation almost every day just in case of problems!  It gives me peace of mind and also lets me experiment with things I would otherwise not have tried. wink

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#48 2004-01-29 01:06:18

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    I have had a daily dose of lost DSL, noisy phone line, and a new one...cross-talk with another phone line.

    The one word impact on the arch performance indicates again that logic is more powerful than man's intellect in solving problems.

     I recall the entry of the "label" as allowing what one desired without requiring cross-checking,  The impact of that small, small thing is quite large and convinces me that I can't use other distro programs without strong risk of failing Pacman -Syu.

     I am reminded of my daughter's loss of everything in her e-machines winme when she downloaded upgrades from microsoft windows.  Entirely incompatible!!!!
     I have hopes for WI-Max which enables wireless connection to the internet from 30 miles distance and promises ten times the speed of my present DSL.  I expect much of the info presently available is hype and that the truth will be far less but remains an option(better than dial-up backup).

     My thanks to you gents, I lost DSL for a few hours today but the latest connection sounds louder and I have my fingers crossed.

     I still have things messed in arch, noatun oscillates in its playlist and mplayer still has no audio.

     God bless!!


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#49 2004-01-29 01:39:55

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    I have had a daily dose of lost DSL, noisy phone line, and a new one...cross-talk with another phone line.

    The one word impact on the arch performance indicates again that logic is more powerful than man's intellect in solving problems.

     I recall the entry of the "label" as allowing what one desired without requiring cross-checking,  The impact of that small, small thing is quite large and convinces me that I can't use other distro programs without strong risk of failing Pacman -Syu.

     I am reminded of my daughter's loss of everything in her e-machines winme when she downloaded upgrades from microsoft windows.  Entirely incompatible!!!!
     I have hopes for WI-Max which enables wireless connection to the internet from 30 miles distance and promises ten times the speed of my present DSL.  I expect much of the info presently available is hype and that the truth will be far less but remains an option(better than dial-up backup).

     My thanks to you gents, I lost DSL for a few hours today but the latest connection sounds louder and I have my fingers crossed.

     I still have things messed in arch, noatun oscillates in its playlist and mplayer still has no audio. ( also no control menu)

     God bless!!


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Hard work does not kill people but why risk it: Charlie Mccarthy
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