Postinstalation problems {dual boot}

71GA · 2013-08-26 11:03:27

clfarron4 wrote:

if he has access to UEFI hardware and just hasn't told us/doesn't know about it.

How can i check if UEFI is even possible on my system? I ll decide what to do after i know this. If UEFI isn'n possible i will probably follow this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZpr1eW48rc where the author 1st sets partitions using Arch Live medium and cfdisk (he allso creates
Windows NTFS partition), 2nd boots the windows installation and installs windows into the created NTFS partition (withouth modifying it). After that he installs the Arch linux using the grub-bios. It looks like it is working...

EDIT: I just found out that i could flash my PC with UEFI support... Here are some details: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/Te … ob-88666-1 But the problem is now that i have to 1st install windows, then instal this and afterwards again uninstall, and redo all this... TOO MUCH WORK. NOT WORTH IT.

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clfarron4 · 2013-08-26 12:00:21

71GA wrote:

How can i check if UEFI is even possible on my system? I ll decide what to do after i know this. If UEFI isn'n possible i will probably follow this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZpr1eW48rc where the author 1st sets partitions using Arch Live medium and cfdisk (he allso creates
Windows NTFS partition), 2nd boots the windows installation and installs windows into the created NTFS partition (withouth modifying it). After that he installs the Arch linux using the grub-bios. It looks like it is working...

EDIT: I just found out that i could flash my PC with UEFI support... Here are some details: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/Te … ob-88666-1 But the problem is now that i have to 1st install windows, then instal this and afterwards again uninstall, and redo all this... TOO MUCH WORK. NOT WORTH IT.

I don't know about how to check for UEFI because I've never had to deal with these kinds of issues with a UEFI machine.

As for the video you've found, it's a bit out-dated.

As for the EDIT that you found? Updating/Flashing BIOS is dangerous stuff and can leave your rig completely un-bootable, so don't go there.

WonderWoofy · 2013-08-26 15:25:55

If you haven't gotten to a point in which are you comfortable reading the manuals and installing an operating system, please please don't go and flash a new bios onto your machine. That should come as a last resort to solving problems which are caused by the bios.

Let us just assume at you don't have UEFI. UEFI is a bit to wrap your head around, and if you don't have a firm grasp of how MBR/bios booting works, then trying to master UEFI is going to be an upstream battle (as a quadrapalegic in a sack which is tied to a boat travelling downstream).

So now that we have established that you do not have UEFI, and you need to use MBR/ms-dos partitioning, take the.ridikulus.rat's and jasonwryan's advice above (RTFM and do some of your own research, respecively). Also, don't use the damn youtube video. People who use youtube videos always end up with problems. The beginners guide is written and maintained for a reason.

71GA · 2013-08-26 15:57:41

WonderWoofy wrote:

The beginners guide is written and maintained for a reason.

The beginner's guide got me into trouble in the first place...

the.ridikulus.rat · 2013-08-26 15:59:51

WonderWoofy wrote:

So now that we have established that you do not have UEFI

I don't think the OP has mentioned anywhere that his current firmware does not support UEFI. He just mentioned that there is a BIOS update which mentions UEFI support. But he hasn't mentioned whether he did or did not see any UEFI related info in his current BIOS setup options. Lots of BIOS updated are mentioned as UEFI/BIOS. This does not mean the previous firmware versions did not support UEFI.

@71GA:
It would be better if you can confirm (through the BIOS options) whether UEFI support exists in your current BIOS or not. Since uefi is here to stay, you might as well set it up now rather than latter. At least thats my opinion. In any case (BIOS or UEFI) follow Beginner's Guide or Official Installation Guide or the wiki pages, do not follow any videos or blog posts as they may be out-of-date.

Last edited by the.ridikulus.rat (2013-08-26 16:00:59)

71GA · 2013-08-26 16:06:14

the.ridikulus.rat wrote:

It would be better if you can confirm (through the BIOS options) whether UEFI support exists in your current BIOS or not.

Let me check if there is a possible tweak for UEFI in BIOS.

clfarron4 · 2013-08-26 16:10:57

71GA wrote:

WonderWoofy wrote:
The beginners guide is written and maintained for a reason.
The beginner's guide got me into trouble in the first place...

No. Not reading and understanding all the information and referenced links in the Beginner's Guide got you here (specifically like this which is linked from the Beginner's Guide when talking about Partition Types, Windows and Dual Booting), but that will not be discussed anymore, because we want to fix the problem.

the.ridikulus.rat wrote:

@71GA:
It would be better if you can confirm (through the BIOS options) whether UEFI support exists in your current BIOS or not. Since uefi is here to stay, you might as well set it up now rather than latter. At least thats my opinion. In any case (BIOS or UEFI) follow Beginner's Guide or Official Installation Guide or the wiki pages, do not follow any videos or blog posts as they may be out-of-date.

Even though I am favouring just sticking with the MBR/BIOS setup, this ^ is a good suggestion. One usually gets to the BIOS/UEFI settings by hitting one of the Function keys just as the computer/laptop starts up (or if you're something like using a Lenovo Laptop, sometime the Lenovo Care button) if I'm not mistaken. From there, it should tell you if it is BIOS or UEFI, so we know for sure.

71GA wrote:

Let me check if there is a possible tweak for UEFI in BIOS.

Stop going on about this. You should not be considering flashing BIOS at all.

In UEFI systems, there is a "Legacy Boot" setting, which serves as a BIOS alternative. As far as I am aware, there is no such UEFI tweak for BIOS hardware.

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Scimmia · 2013-08-26 16:13:17

71GA wrote:

WonderWoofy wrote:
The beginners guide is written and maintained for a reason.
The beginner's guide got me into trouble in the first place...

No, ignoring the beginner's guide got in in trouble in the first place. From Beginner's Guide: Choose a partition table type:

If you want to setup a system which dual boots with windows, then you have to pay special attention to this choice. See Partitioning#Choosing_between_GPT_and_MBR for the gory details.

And from that link:

To dual-boot with Windows, one must use MBR.
A special exception to this rule: dual-booting Windows 64-bit using UEFI instead of BIOS, one must use GPT.

Last edited by Scimmia (2013-08-26 16:14:53)

jasonwryan · 2013-08-26 18:06:03

This isn't the OP's first dalliance with Arch; seems he is determined to continue to ignore the documentation despite best advice to the contrary.

Please don't enable that behaviour.

Arch Linux

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