Arch Instable...? well it is now....i think it got fixed...

Snowman · 2006-01-20 04:59:54

ihavenoname wrote:

ya...so ive started reading around....is it bad if i didnt install the x11 lib (or w/e) when i installed from the cd...? hehehe it wouldnt let me it said something was wrong w/ the repository ( i did a cdrom install...i use a wifi card...so ya...) would that be a prob?

What do you mean by "is it bad if i didnt install the x11 lib (or w/e) when i installed from the cd"? When you installed gnome, xorg should have been installed too. Are you using the xorg from the testing repo?

ihavenoname · 2006-01-22 04:42:29

no i installed the everything on the cd except the xorg-libs section as it did not work...it said repositories could not be resolved or something...i only have on thing from testing...the gnome config tools or something like that...but I installed them after the freezings started...someone suggested I remove the HAL daemon...what does that do? and does anyone know why the comp. would freeze while Im in kde and have the last thing that is logged be related to the GConf server?? (I use GDM ...could that be it? should I updated GDM? and what about xorg 7? does anyone know weather or not i should switch?)

iBertus · 2006-01-22 05:57:23

ihavenoname wrote:

does anyone know why the comp. would freeze while Im in kde and have the last thing that is logged be related to the GConf server?? (I use GDM ...could that be it? should I updated GDM? and what about xorg 7? does anyone know weather or not i should switch?)

Try starting KDE from the command line and that should help determine if GDM has anything todo with this problem. It looks like Gconf is indirectly required by GDM and that may be it... It's worth a try.

scarecrow · 2006-01-22 11:56:07

jesus franco wrote:

If only there was a way to block ipv6 completely. That would be cool. That might be the problem on my computer aswell.

nano /etc/modprobe.conf

And add there a line

alias net-pf-10 off

After that, either "modprobe -r ipv6" and "udevstart", or rebooting should do.

Personally I can run Arch for ages without any freezes, but that is after updating the buggy mainboard BIOS, and also after turning "Plug and Play OS" to disabled within the BIOS setttings. I don't think it's something 2.6.15 specific, it runs great here... but it could be something wifi-related, after all nobody's happy using wrapped windoze drivers for his devices, right?
PS: I use KDM (not invoked from rc.conf) and KDE, and the only crash that pisses me off currently is a random kicker bang at logout- but AFAIK this is a "special KDE feature" for the latest releases, and not something Arch- related.

ihavenoname · 2006-01-22 18:23:44

scarecrow wrote:

Personally I can run Arch for ages without any freezes, but that is after updating the buggy mainboard BIOS, and also after turning "Plug and Play OS" to disabled within the BIOS setttings.

how did you know your mainboard was buggy? and I have Plug and Play OS enabled could that lead to freezes as well?

scarecrow · 2006-01-22 21:54:36

ihavenoname wrote:

how did you know your mainboard was buggy? and I have Plug and Play OS enabled could that lead to freezes as well?

By reading the BIOS update changelog, and by encountering a few BSOD's under Windblows (2000, XP...) as well... (I was still dualbooting by then).
And yes, PnP OS enabled in the BIOS can only give trouble for a Linux installation, and nothing more than that... please disable it.
Mobo in mind is an MSI 865PE Neo2-P, and only the very latest BIOS revision is 100% trouble-free for a Linux host OS...

ihavenoname · 2006-01-22 22:40:59

ok this maybe a stupid question but...i thought the bios was something that was built into the motherboard that was unchangeable...but now im confused..is it just software????

Jefg60 · 2006-01-22 22:56:51

bios is built into your motherboard, but its a chip that holds "software" that is known as firmware. you can update your bios using a boot disk from the motherboard manufacturer, that loads new firmware onto the chip.

Lone_Wolf · 2006-01-23 00:03:14

Firmware
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

In computing, firmware is software that is embedded in a hardware device. It is often provided on flash ROMs or as a binary image file that can be uploaded onto existing hardware by a user.

Firmware is defined as:

* the computer program in a read-only memory (ROM) integrated circuit (a hardware configuration is usually used to represent the software);
* the erasable programmable read-only memory (EPROM) chip, whose program may be modified by special external hardware, but not by [a general purpose] application program.

Source: Federal Standard 1037C.

The term "firmware" was originally coined to indicate a functional replacement for hardware on low cost microprocessors. "firm" alludes to the fact that whilst "firmware" is not as set in stone as "hardware", it is not as flexible as "software".

Note that firmware for many devices can now be updated without the need for additional hardware, often through the use of vendor-provided software.

In practical terms, firmware updates can improve the performance and reliability, indeed even the basic available functionality of a device, and many devices benefit from regular firmware updates. One of the most common devices to have regular firmware updates are recording devices such as optical media writers (DVD, CD, Bluray), as media technologies extend, so firmware updates ensure hardware is kept up to date and compatible.

Examples of firmware include:

* the BIOS found in IBM-compatible Personal Computers;
* the EFI BIOS found on Itanium systems, and as a secondary bootloader (which runs after the traditional BIOS) on 64bit x86 PCs;
* Open Firmware, used in computers from Sun Microsystems and Apple Computer;
* ARCS, used in computers from Silicon Graphics;
* RTAS (Run-Time Abstraction Services), used in computers from IBM;
* the Common Firmware Environment (CFE).

Open Firmware is notable for being written in the Forth programming language.

ihavenoname · 2006-01-23 01:24:06

ah! thanx that makes senses

ihavenoname · 2006-01-25 21:19:05

ok so...given the ambiguity of my problem...im not sure if its been resolved however...after removing ndiswrapper and using the rt2570 driver for my wifi card I havent really had a freeze...so thats good news!

scarecrow · 2006-01-26 09:38:27

If you can do without ndiswrapper, then you SHOULD be happy!
Some people cannot make their wifi work even with it...

ihavenoname · 2006-01-26 21:00:19

hahahah good call!

ihavenoname · 2006-01-26 21:01:45

but i must say it is a nice little tool that HAS helpped ppl...even thou it is sometimes a hassle...hahah

now my next problem....creating a cd w/gnome and kde packages for arch!

if you can help me please head over to that thread!

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php? … highlight=

ihavenoname · 2006-02-05 07:41:34

nvm....freezing has returned..... :shock:

ihavenoname · 2006-02-05 07:44:30

i am totally lost and confused....Arch is my favorite linux.....and it works perfectly except for the freezing....anyone have ANY clue as to what i could try....im using the linux drivers instead of ndiswrapper....im using the old xorg... it freezes in gnome and kde and i dont know about the rest......could it be the swap drive? gdm? kernel? should i compile a new kernel????

iphitus · 2006-02-05 08:59:56

what wireless drivers?
do you use ati or nvidia?
when does the freeze occur?
can you move the mouse when it freezes?
is there hard drive activity when it freezes?

iphitus

ihavenoname · 2006-02-05 15:42:18

i use the rt257 wireless drivers i have nvidia and I am using the propritary drivers. no i cannot move the mouse when it freezes.....im not 100% sure on the hard drive issue but from what i remeber they sound like they are on. but they are not really doing anything....(i have 3 harddrives would that cause a problem?) and the freezing seems completly and random intervals to me...generally im using the internet when it happens....or at least the internet is on....

ozar · 2006-02-05 17:15:26

I don't know that Arch is truly what I consider "unstable", but I've certainly had more problems with it ever since the 2.6.15 kernels and new udev (without hotplug) came out than I've ever had with it over the previous 12 months.

Lots of issues relating to alsa, cups, xserver hangs, usb hangs, keyboard failures, and file system corruption have plagued me for about the last month. I've filed several bug reports, but most of the problems persist... and yes, some of the issues seem to be intermittent.

ozar

Snowman · 2006-02-05 20:05:25

I've also had hard freezes with 2.6.15 kernels. I'm currently running the latest stock kernel with the 'acpi=off' option. I've not experienced any freeze with that setup yet.
*crosses fingers*

ihavenoname · 2006-02-05 22:54:20

Snowman wrote:

I've also had hard freezes with 2.6.15 kernels. I'm currently running the latest stock kernel with the 'acpi=off' option. I've not experienced any freeze with that setup yet.
*crosses fingers*

thats interesting....wut is ur comp. setup mine is 1.7 ghz p4 w/ 512ram and nvidia geforcefx 5200. also what version of the kernel is it and do you know any good how-tos for build the kernel. how long have u gone w/o a freeze and do u leave ur comp. on all the time or do u only leave it on for a short while (sry for all the questions im hoping to fix this problem...and hopfully ur computer is fixed oh yea sryy! one last question what is acpi exactly? cuz if it is what i think it is then turning it off might do the trick....

and just as a generai statment (?) here i left my computer on the login screen for 4 hours and 30 minutes and nothing happened so perhaps the problem lies in something that is started upon loging in to gnome or kde.....altou it does not seem to be the gconf server...
finally in the log for some reason it says that my wireless card driver is one version too old or something like that .....it said this with both ndiswrapper and the rt2570 driver...and yet i have the latest of both drivers....could that be it???? ahhhh Linux....so beautifully complicated.....but thats part of the fun i guess (unless ur trying to pass school...which i hope to do...)

Snowman · 2006-02-05 23:19:02

HP laptop, 1.70GHz Pentium M, 1GB RAM, i915 video driver, don't use wireless.
kernel26 2.6.15.2-2
uptime: 2 days, 4hrs+...

usually the freeze would happen while in qingy or while using xine or quodlibet.

acpi is mostly for laptop stuff like battery level monitoring or what should happen when the lid is closed.

ihavenoname · 2006-02-06 04:17:36

Snowman wrote:

HP laptop, 1.70GHz Pentium M, 1GB RAM, i915 video driver, don't use wireless.
kernel26 2.6.15.2-2
uptime: 2 days, 4hrs+...
usually the freeze would happen while in qingy or while using xine or quodlibet.
acpi is mostly for laptop stuff like battery level monitoring or what should happen when the lid is closed.

how did u compile it?

Snowman · 2006-02-06 05:21:11

ihavenoname wrote:

Snowman wrote:
HP laptop, 1.70GHz Pentium M, 1GB RAM, i915 video driver, don't use wireless.
kernel26 2.6.15.2-2
uptime: 2 days, 4hrs+...
usually the freeze would happen while in qingy or while using xine or quodlibet.
acpi is mostly for laptop stuff like battery level monitoring or what should happen when the lid is closed.
how did u compile it?

You mean the kernel? I didn't compiled it. It's just the stock kernel from the official repo. You pass the acpi=off option to the kernel from within your lilo.conf or menu.lst config file.

ihavenoname · 2006-02-08 01:45:28

hmm i dunno.....the harddrive didnt stop actually intrestingly enough i think the only thing that seems consistent during all the freezes is that the internet was on....but i wasnt always using it when it froze.....it was just ...on...hmmm

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