[Solved] Games with xf86-video-ati

joanmanel · 2014-02-21 13:41:36

I have tried again the open source drivers, I have an ATI HD7770. It is much much worse than catalyst. Maybe is for the glamor bug said on the wiki, no idea.

Tearing, overall, is horrible for both drivers.

skottish · 2014-02-21 14:06:28

joanmanel wrote:

I have tried again the open source drivers, I have an ATI HD7770. It is much much worse than catalyst. Maybe is for the glamor bug said on the wiki, no idea.
Tearing, overall, is horrible for both drivers.

If you're not running the 3.13.x kernel, you may want to try again after it hits [core]. The Southern Islands family of cards has had a whole bunch of work going on with it. As well, the newer the version of mesa, the better off life is for more xf86-video-ati users.

joanmanel · 2014-02-21 14:22:58

skottish wrote:

joanmanel wrote:
I have tried again the open source drivers, I have an ATI HD7770. It is much much worse than catalyst. Maybe is for the glamor bug said on the wiki, no idea.
Tearing, overall, is horrible for both drivers.
If you're not running the 3.13.x kernel, you may want to try again after it hits [core]. The Southern Islands family of cards has had a whole bunch of work going on with it. As well, the newer the version of mesa, the better off life is for more xf86-video-ati users.

kernel 3.13 will improve catalyst or xf86-video-ati?

I actually tried it yesterday with [test] but my wifi (a usb) was very unstable, so I rolled it back.

Jojonintendo · 2014-02-21 14:26:00

It seems it will hit [core] in a few hours (ref). I'm eager to try all that!

@joanmanel: 3.13 kernel improves xf86-video-ati, most of all for Southern Island generation and newer.

joanmanel · 2014-02-21 16:34:40

My experience with 3.13 is that my wi-fi card is not working... and having internet is more important than dota2. let's see if it's fixed. I doubt it, because my last test with 3.13 was yesterday

Jojonintendo · 2014-02-21 16:37:06

I just tried a quick Left 4 Dead 2 game, and I can't see any performance boost . I removed the radeon.dpm=1 parameter since it's now default (checked in dmesg). I don't know if I'm missing something.

joanmanel · 2014-02-21 17:16:08

Jojonintendo wrote:

I just tried a quick Left 4 Dead 2 game, and I can't see any performance boost . I removed the radeon.dpm=1 parameter since it's now default (checked in dmesg). I don't know if I'm missing something.

how many FPS you get on the game?

is glamor activated? is your card southern or newer? latest version of driver?

davidjosepha · 2014-02-21 17:18:53

Jojonintendo wrote:

I removed the radeon.dpm=1 parameter since it's now default (checked in dmesg).

Really? I removed the parameter, rebooted, and dpm was off according to dmesg. Using 3.13.

Also, how do I execute this command from the wiki? Even with sudo, I get permission denied. Is this something I'm supposed to add to a particular file that runs at boot?

echo performance > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_state

Jojonintendo · 2014-02-21 17:19:30

joanmanel wrote:

how many FPS you get on the game? is glamor activated? is your card southern or newer? latest version of driver?

I don't know exactly the FPS, but I guess it's around 20-30, sometimes better (when in front of a wall). Glamor is activated by default since I have a Radeon HD 7770, and I am up to date. Maybe you refer to some AUR version of the driver? I'm using the official one.

Edit: @davidjosepha: I get this from dmesg

[root@Arch ~]# dmesg | grep dpm
[    4.546958] [drm] radeon: dpm initialized
[root@Arch ~]#

The only command I pass to kernel is "elevator=noop" for my SSD. According to this entry you must set "performance" in "/sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_state", and "high" in "/sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_force_performance_level". I tried it myself, and I can see it actually takes effect in "/sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/radeon_pm_info", but It doesn't change anything in-game.

Edit 2: also I edit those files directly as root, with nano. I don't know why echoing the parameter doesn't work.

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joanmanel · 2014-02-21 17:56:34

Jojonintendo wrote:

joanmanel wrote:
how many FPS you get on the game? is glamor activated? is your card southern or newer? latest version of driver?
I don't know exactly the FPS, but I guess it's around 20-30, sometimes better (when in front of a wall). Glamor is activated by default since I have a Radeon HD 7770, and I am up to date. Maybe you refer to some AUR version of the driver? I'm using the official one.
Edit: @davidjosepha: I get this from dmesg
[root@Arch ~]# dmesg | grep dpm
[    4.546958] [drm] radeon: dpm initialized
[root@Arch ~]#
The only command I pass to kernel is "elevator=noop" for my SSD. According to this entry you must set "performance" in "/sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_state", and "high" in "/sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_force_performance_level". I tried it myself, and I can see it actually takes effect in "/sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/radeon_pm_info", but It doesn't change anything in-game.
Edit 2: also I edit those files directly as root, with nano. I don't know why echoing the parameter doesn't work.

slightly unrelated but, what you tried catalyst? I have the same card so I guess updating kernel won't improve my situation. Catalyst gives me more FPS

Jojonintendo · 2014-02-21 18:01:34

I'm using the open-source driver. It's been some time that every 2D game I have on Steam runs well, and even 3D ones are improving, but I don't think we will hit driver parity with Catalyst soon.

joanmanel · 2014-02-21 20:27:57

just tested it (3.13) with Dota2. Huge improvement. The game is now playable. More or less the same as with Catalyst. Id say better

I still have a lot of video tearing though

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HarlemSquirrel · 2014-02-22 00:35:01

joanmanel wrote:

just tested it (3.13) with Dota2. Huge improvement. The game is now playable. More or less the same as with Catalyst. Id say better
I still have a lot of video tearing though

joanmanel, have you tried some of the manual settings referenced on the Arch ATI page?

joanmanel · 2014-02-22 10:08:06

HarlemSquirrel wrote:

joanmanel wrote:
just tested it (3.13) with Dota2. Huge improvement. The game is now playable. More or less the same as with Catalyst. Id say better
I still have a lot of video tearing though
joanmanel, have you tried some of the manual settings referenced on the Arch ATI page?

if you mean this option

Option "EXAVSync" "off

yes I tried. It does not work because I use glamor.

It's really a shame this tearing. Makes watching a movie impossible, at least for me, I get obsessed with it

ooo · 2014-02-22 11:32:19

joanmanel wrote:

Option "EXAVSync" "off
yes I tried. It does not work because I use glamor.

this should be "on" if you want to reduce tearing, but as said it doesn't matter if you're not using EXA.

make sure that EnablePageFlip and SwapBuffersWait are enabled, as they should both reduce tearing.

Jojonintendo · 2014-02-22 11:42:30

joanmanel wrote:

just tested it (3.13) with Dota2. Huge improvement. The game is now playable. More or less the same as with Catalyst. Id say better
I still have a lot of video tearing though

I just tried Dota 2, and it's only "playable" on lowest settings. Far from the 60 fps (all maxed out) that the guy on reddit talked about. I'll try to use some mesa-git package to see if it helps.

joanmanel · 2014-02-22 12:04:18

Jojonintendo wrote:

joanmanel wrote:
just tested it (3.13) with Dota2. Huge improvement. The game is now playable. More or less the same as with Catalyst. Id say better
I still have a lot of video tearing though
I just tried Dota 2, and it's only "playable" on lowest settings. Far from the 60 fps (all maxed out) that the guy on reddit talked about. I'll try to use some mesa-git package to see if it helps.

I am on medium high settings, resolution to 1080p, and I would say it is playable. Something like 20-30 FPS per second, in laning phase, when there are 4 heroes and creeps in screen.

I have to test it, because Id say some of the options make the FPS drop dramatically, while some of them improve a lot the experience with good FPS

which CPU do you have? I have an FX6100

Jojonintendo · 2014-02-22 12:23:57

joanmanel wrote:

I am on medium high settings, resolution to 1080p, and I would say it is playable. Something like 20-30 FPS per second, in laning phase, when there are 4 heroes and creeps in screen.
I have to test it, because Id say some of the options make the FPS drop dramatically, while some of them improve a lot the experience with good FPS
which CPU do you have? I have an FX6100

I have an FX6100 too, and I just found how to get so much more FPS in Dota 2 and Left 4 Dead 2 and probably more!
I just added this to /etc/pacman.conf

[mesa-git]
SigLevel= Optional TrustAll
Server = http://pkgbuild.com/~lcarlier/$repo/$arch

Update your system, then install ati-dri-git and lib32-ati-dri-git. It will ask for removal of conflicting mesa and ati-dri, accept everything. Reboot, and have 60 fps in L4D2 everyting maxed out (except AA), and more or less 60 fps in Dota 2. everything at max.

Mesa 10.1 is going to land next week, maybe we won't need this extra repo then, but for the time being this is just awesome!

HarlemSquirrel · 2014-02-22 15:35:01

Guys, I think the inconsistent results here are tied to the different GPU series. The 6000 series has more mature open-source driver support than the 7000 series and newer. Mesa 10.1 is expected by the end of February, according to Phoronix, and should bring some drastic improvements. It seems performace is linked to Mesa, xf86-video-ati, and the Linux kernel.

davidjosepha · 2014-02-22 15:50:33

davidjosepha wrote:

Jojonintendo wrote:
I removed the radeon.dpm=1 parameter since it's now default (checked in dmesg).
Really? I removed the parameter, rebooted, and dpm was off according to dmesg. Using 3.13.
Also, how do I execute this command from the wiki? Even with sudo, I get permission denied. Is this something I'm supposed to add to a particular file that runs at boot?
echo performance > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_state

So I'm not getting a permissions issue anymore for some reason, but now when I try to write power_dpm_state, I get

"/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/0000:03:03.0/power_dpm_state" E667: Fsync failed

Does anyone know why this might be happening? I couldn't find any explanation with some googling. I'd really like to be able to set this setting...

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HarlemSquirrel · 2014-02-22 16:14:46

I thought dpm was automatically governed by the GPU hardware.

Jojonintendo · 2014-02-22 16:18:10

davidjosepha wrote:

Does anyone know why this might be happening? I couldn't find any explanation with some googling. I'd really like to be able to set this setting...

Did you try to disable dpm at boot with radeon.dpm=0, just to be sure it lets you change it afterwards? Personally I just updated my laptop (which has a Radeon HD 6000 GPU) and dpm works just fine, even at gaming.

davidjosepha · 2014-02-22 16:18:27

You're supposed to be able to select between a few presets though, and I can't do that.

davidjosepha · 2014-02-22 16:19:19

Jojonintendo wrote:

davidjosepha wrote:
Does anyone know why this might be happening? I couldn't find any explanation with some googling. I'd really like to be able to set this setting...
Did you try to disable dpm at boot with radeon.dpm=0, just to be sure it lets you change it afterwards? Personally I just updated my laptop (which has a Radeon HD 6000 GPU) and dpm works just fine, even at gaming.

When I disable dpm, the relevant files disappear so I can't edit them, then when I turn it back on, I get the same problem I've been having.

Jojonintendo · 2014-02-22 16:22:23

Since you switched from Catalyst, maybe you should try to "clean" a little your config, like removing /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon thing, which I don't have in any computer. Just to prevent some conflict. Try not to pass any command to kernel and then retry to edit the pm files as root.

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