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lmello

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From: Brazil

Registered: 2012-11-06

Posts: 300

Starting up with Epiphany...

Hi,

I grew quite unfond of Firefox these days - memory leaks basically. However, I don't like Opera and Chrome either... so I looked for a lightweight alternative, Epiphany. It's quite fast although, the fonts look actually better but it lacks features, but for 90% of web-browsing it's fine I guess. It has a built-in adblocker and pop-up blocker which works so I'm OK with it.

One problem is with flash and blip.tv... while the wiki says all I need is install flashplugin, well... youtube but not blip.tv. The site says nothing about the 'lack of flash plugin' but when I try to play any video on it it says 'temporally unavailable video'. What's going on?

Dailymotion also isn't working...

And are there any other extensions or is this browser's purpose is to be as 'meat and potatoes' as possible?

Last edited by lmello (2014-07-11 00:38:54)

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ooo

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Registered: 2013-04-10

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Re: Starting up with Epiphany...

did you try freshplayerplugin+chromium-pepper-flash from aur?
It should work in theory, although last time I didn't get it to work for some reason (I still use chromium so didn't bother to look into it further).

I really like epiphany though. Only thing that has prevented me from trying to switch is some minor but ugly font rendering issues with infinality patches :(

nomorewindows

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Re: Starting up with Epiphany...

Think that's why I don't use Epiphany is lack of flash, but HTML5 is used in FF as a standardized replacement to flash.  I use FF and dwb.

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Pse

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Re: Starting up with Epiphany...

One problem is with flash and blip.tv... while the wiki says all I need is install flashplugin, well... youtube but not blip.tv. The site says nothing about the 'lack of flash plugin' but when I try to play any video on it it says 'temporally unavailable video'. What's going on?

Does blip.tv work on Firefox? If it doesn't, then the site might need a newer Flash version (only available for Chrome/Chromium as a pepper plugin). If it does work, then try setting Epiphany's user agent to the one from Firefox.

lmello

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From: Brazil

Registered: 2012-11-06

Posts: 300

Re: Starting up with Epiphany...

The problem is... FF does play blip.tv. It doesn't play some videos and that's Adobe's fault not to update flash for Linux anymore... and possibly some kind of ugly under-the-hood negotiations were made because most video streaming sites, exluding youtube and vimeo, to decide not to move towards HTML5...

I think Epiphany has a lot of potential but not even HTML5 works properly - I uninstalled flashplugin and there's no sound in youtube

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Re: Starting up with Epiphany...

I think Epiphany has a lot of potential but not even HTML5 works properly - I uninstalled flashplugin and there's no sound in youtube

html5 youtube player works fine and with sound here. I tried ~10 different videos and no issues.

try:

pacman -S --asdeps gst-libav gst-plugins-base gst-plugins-good

if you don't have those installed.
all are optional dependencies for webkitgtk for media encoding.

lmello

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From: Brazil

Registered: 2012-11-06

Posts: 300

Re: Starting up with Epiphany...

I think Epiphany has a lot of potential but not even HTML5 works properly - I uninstalled flashplugin and there's no sound in youtube

html5 youtube player works fine and with sound here. I tried ~10 different videos and no issues.

try:

pacman -S --asdeps gst-libav gst-plugins-base gst-plugins-good

if you don't have those installed.
all are optional dependencies for webkitgtk for media encoding.

It is a strange thing... I have to browse for a couple of videos on youtube... the first couple or so have no sound, then suddenly there is sound output! o.O On vimeo this does not happen.

BTW: I get 380 points out of 555 on http://html5test.com/ with Epiphany and it says "You are using GNOME Web 3.12.1 on Mac OS X" which is strange.

One more thing: on 'about:plugins' tab, all plugins appear twice... strange.

May I ask help to report a bug?

Last edited by lmello (2014-07-12 00:17:44)

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ooo

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Re: Starting up with Epiphany...

looks like the html5 video support is still quite buggy. I just realized that if I try to play even 720p HD video fullscreen or it start to stutter. gst-vaapi only made things worse.
Also it seems to mess with volume control somehow setting it to full volume when you change video quality on youtube for example which is quite starnge.

@lmello
Even stranger, I get 400 from that test and it says "You are using GNOME Web 3.12.1 on Linux"
Do you have all audio and video formats supported? that's one thing that could explain the difference in case you are missing some gst-plugins.
could it be possible that you've set different user agent for epiphany? You can change it via dconf from org.gnome.epiphany.user-agent

I also see all extensions (only gnome extensions integration currently) twice in about:plugins

what kind of help do you need with the bug reporting?
search epiphany product at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/query.cgi to make sure your issue haven't already been reported. if it isn't, file a bug report.

lmello

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From: Brazil

Registered: 2012-11-06

Posts: 300

Re: Starting up with Epiphany...

looks like the html5 video support is still quite buggy. I just realized that if I try to play even 720p HD video fullscreen or it start to stutter. gst-vaapi only made things worse.
Also it seems to mess with volume control somehow setting it to full volume when you change video quality on youtube for example which is quite starnge.

@lmello
Even stranger, I get 400 from that test and it says "You are using GNOME Web 3.12.1 on Linux"
Do you have all audio and video formats supported? that's one thing that could explain the difference in case you are missing some gst-plugins.
could it be possible that you've set different user agent for epiphany? You can change it via dconf from org.gnome.epiphany.user-agent

I also see all extensions (only gnome extensions integration currently) twice in about:plugins

what kind of help do you need with the bug reporting?
search epiphany product at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/query.cgi to make sure your issue haven't already been reported. if it isn't, file a bug report.

I upgraded to webkitgtk 2.4.4-1 it says "You are using GNOME Web 3.12.1 on Linux" on that website, and I get 400 points if I manually set up 'enable-webaudio' and 'enable-webgl' on dconf. HD video plays fluidly... once you toggle fullscreen twice, but only on youtube. Kaltura HTML5 player for example plays HD videos just fine.

I have reported two bugs at the GNOME bugzilla - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733091 and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733090.

Last edited by lmello (2014-07-12 15:28:27)

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ooo

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Re: Starting up with Epiphany...

[on that website, and I get 400 points if I manually set up 'enable-webaudio' and 'enable-webgl' on dconf.

oh that explains it, I had those enabled

HD video plays fluidly... once you toggle fullscreen twice, but only on youtube. Kaltura HTML5 player for example plays HD videos just fine.

yes, looks like if you toggle fullscreen a couple of times it starts to play smoothly.

Pse

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Registered: 2008-03-15

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Re: Starting up with Epiphany...

I like Epiphany but consider it quite buggy for the moment. I can consistently trigger hangs by going to certain HTML5 heavy sites (try a canvas benchmark, for instance). I do like how quick it is for normal browsing tasks, though. It may improve in future versions.

lmello

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From: Brazil

Registered: 2012-11-06

Posts: 300

Re: Starting up with Epiphany...

I recompiled it against webkitgtk 2.4.4-1. Now sound outputs for the first time on youtube.

HD playback on it is sluggish but if you toggle fullscreen a couple of times it's fluid... strange indeed.

Last edited by lmello (2014-07-13 06:10:53)

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Fundamental Axiom of the Universe (aka Murphy's Law): Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong.
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Second Digital Deduction: Everything go wrong at least once.
Third Digital Deduction: Things go wrong even when there's absolutely no possibility of anything go wrong.