gnome-unstable stirs once more!

blackout23 · 2014-09-10 19:42:51

linfan wrote:

blackout23 wrote:
Did you have nouveau freezes with 3.12?
If you found some nouveau errors in your kernel messages, output the complete kernel messages from this boot into a text file. "journalctl -k -b -X > dmesg.log" and put it on pastebin.com and ask the people on #nouveau @ freenode.irc.
Yes when i ran gnome-wayland in 3.12 the same thing happened, but not in xorg.
#nouveau on freenode.net did not have any clue, but accepted the output file. Found similar posts on google, but no solution. My gpu is [ 1.039816] nouveau [ DEVICE][0000:02:00.0] Chipset: GF116 (NVCF)

I suspect you have the same problem as I with nouveau. I own a GTX 580 and I think the NVC0 series doesn't run stable on nouveau without using the external firmware, which can be extracted from NVIDIA blob.
Good news is you can install these firmwares from the AUR. The nouveau developer MuPuF packaged them up.
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nouveau-fw

After installing this all you need to do is add nouveau.config=NvGrUseFW=1 to the kernel line to force loading the external firmware. Once booted up you can switch to a tty or open a terminal and try "dmesg | grep firmware". It should show a line like [nouveau] PGRAH: Using external firmware...
This allows me to use my 580 with nouveau without it locking up. However the experience still isn't all perfect. Some text characters are missing when running Gnome on Wayland with it. I suspect this is just, because nouveau is all reverse engineered and not 100% perfect.

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linfan · 2014-09-11 00:28:25

Seems to have fixed it for my nvidia card as well, although it made the box a bit louder than what it used to be. I have always stuck to proprietary nvidia drivers, but I wanted to be prepared. You never know if xorg will be unmaintained in the future. My linuxbox mostly just works as a movie machine, and is used for banking and emails. What changes I notice is thus far mostly dmesg, which is very verbose och colorful. Might also be that gnome starts up a tiny bit faster than before.

cris9288 · 2014-09-11 02:50:11

step-2 wrote:

updated to unstable repo
and now gdm won't start , any idea's ??

install xorg-server-xwayland

linfan · 2014-09-11 14:40:38

I decided to skip wayland and uninstalled all of nouveau. I do not feel optimistic that they will ever fix nouveau. I now rolled back to gnome 2.12 and have proprietary nvidia once more. When archlinux fully implements wayland, I will have to start looking for a new distro.

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ooo · 2014-09-11 15:51:24

linfan wrote:

When archlinux fully implements wayland, I will have to start looking for a new distro.

hold your horses..

Neither gnome, or especially arch linux are going to stop supporting Xorg for years, if ever.
I bet both nouveu and proprietary nvidia drivers have working wayland support by then.

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blackout23 · 2014-09-11 19:35:54

ooo wrote:

linfan wrote:
When archlinux fully implements wayland, I will have to start looking for a new distro.
hold your horses..
Neither gnome, or especially arch linux are going to stop supporting Xorg for years, if ever.
I bet both nouveu and proprietary nvidia drivers have working wayland support by then.

Yes Xorg is not going to suddenly vanish over night. Wouldn't make any sense. Even if people would stop working on Xorg all the backends in toolkits and compositors are still there.
It's also an open secrect that NVIDIA is working on Wayland support for their binary driver.
http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/ … 41534.html

Jodell · 2014-09-11 21:42:12

The two issues that I've noticed.

Totem doesn't play any videos. It just shows white.

The white text in gnome-terminal becomes a dark gray that is difficult to see against the black background. I'm using the default theme.

cris9288 · 2014-09-12 00:59:38

Has anyone had any luck getting extensions to work? I expect plenty of breakage, but have been trying to bump the extension's version in it's metadata.json. So far not a whole lot of luck. Is the correct procedure to edit the extensions supported shell versions and restart gnome? Other than that, this is a fantastic release. Animations look great and everything seems to move really fast.

ooo · 2014-09-12 03:10:19

cris9288 wrote:

Is the correct procedure to edit the extensions supported shell versions and restart gnome?

Basically yes, but simply bumping the version in metadata.json often isn't enough, and some more complicated changes has to be made. You should check if there's a git repo for your extension. The developer could have updated the it for 3.13 already.

I went and installed from the repo. Everything working great so far apart from extensions, and some minor bugs with my current themes in gtk and gnome-shell. Also didn't test wayland yet.
Not a huge fan of all the new animations either, even though there are some improvements as well in that area.

EDIT. wayland port still seems quite unfinished at this time. Most notably drag'n'drop is still missing (clipboard seems to work finally though), and some smaller bugs like mouse scrolling not working on application overview.
I also managed to crash wayland by simply closing some application window.

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maslascher · 2014-09-12 12:42:17

GTK3 Wayland backend doesn't work. Every app in Gnome on Wayland works on XWayland. Am i only one seeing this?

blackout23 · 2014-09-12 12:47:42

maslascher wrote:

GTK3 Wayland backend doesn't work. Every app in Gnome on Wayland works on XWayland. Am i only one seeing this?

Did you set the correct GDK_BACKEND environment variable?

All my extensions work after adding 3.13.91 to the metaddata.json. I also added 3.14 to make them work with the final release aswell.

maslascher · 2014-09-12 15:55:00

@blackout23- That's weird, GTK3 Wayland backend works again under Weston. However GTK3 apps (like nautilus) are working through XWayland. If you do not believe me just try resize and than resize with Wayland backend under Weston.
BTW. Any ideas how to add GTK3 app to Weston launcher that will be running with Wayland backend?

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ooo · 2014-09-13 04:54:37

I did some more testing on wayland, and it indeed looks like gtk applications run through xwayland unless you set GDK_BACKEND=wayland
the fun part is that apparently gnome-wayland session won't start if you have set GDK_BACKEND=wayland

Also there seems to be some kind of support for drag'n'drop after all when using wayland gtk backend, even though it didn't really seem to work properly at least with nautilus.

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brittyazel · 2014-09-13 05:16:26

for those testing gnome 3.13, I have thrown together a packagekit-1.0.0 version on the aur "packagekit-test" which should work alongside appstream-glib-git and gnome-software-git to get gnome-software working

Would anyone mind installing all three packages, and letting me know if gnome-software works?

AUR: packagekit-test, appstream-glib-git, gnome-software-git

syms · 2014-09-13 15:36:31

whenever i try to start anything gtk3 related i get this error:
symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-3.so.0: undefined symbol: g_type_check_instance_is_fundamentally_a
so nothing starts, gnome-shell, nor any gnome application. anyone know a solution?

cris9288 · 2014-09-13 20:35:11

syms wrote:

whenever i try to start anything gtk3 related i get this error:
symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-3.so.0: undefined symbol: g_type_check_instance_is_fundamentally_a
so nothing starts, gnome-shell, nor any gnome application. anyone know a solution?

Can you post your output of

$pacman -Q gtk3 glib2
$archlp@christian ~ % ls -l /usr/lib/libgtk-3.so.0

EDIT: left out pacman -Q arguments

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Yosef Or · 2014-09-13 21:04:58

syms wrote:

whenever i try to start anything gtk3 related i get this error:
symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-3.so.0: undefined symbol: g_type_check_instance_is_fundamentally_a
so nothing starts, gnome-shell, nor any gnome application. anyone know a solution?

Sound like you have an older glib2 (I mean, glib2 from extra, not from gnome-unstable).

syms · 2014-09-13 22:37:39

Yosef Or wrote:

syms wrote:
whenever i try to start anything gtk3 related i get this error:
symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-3.so.0: undefined symbol: g_type_check_instance_is_fundamentally_a
so nothing starts, gnome-shell, nor any gnome application. anyone know a solution?
Sound like you have an older glib2 (I mean, glib2 from extra, not from gnome-unstable).

Thanks! i had to put gnome-unstable repo above core, so pacman installs newer glib2 then.

pushakk · 2014-09-15 06:08:42

Hello,

everything is working fine here, its incredible the changes, its faster and smoother now. Just bridgness control doesnt work and Esc key does not close the alt+tab "menu".

linfan · 2014-09-15 09:20:12

I reinstalled gnome unstable but without wayland support and it loads.
1) Totem lacks coceces, have to use smplayer,
2) extensions are not en par with this release and
3) mouse cursor is not visible on the panel and on some apps from the panel, for instance poweroff etc.

Otherwise nothing peculiar about this version of Gnome. Feels exactly as 2.12.

brittyazel · 2014-09-15 11:19:18

linfan wrote:

I reinstalled gnome unstable but without wayland support and it loads.
1) Totem lacks coceces, have to use smplayer,
2) extensions are not en par with this release and
3) mouse cursor is not visible on the panel and on some apps from the panel, for instance poweroff etc.
Otherwise nothing peculiar about this version of Gnome. Feels exactly as 2.12.

You mean Gnome "3.12", not 2.12. Also, the changes are very extensive. I implore you to look into what actually is different.

As for " codecs " and extensions being missing, these are all issues with unstable beta software, and not definitive issues with Gnome 3.14 as a whole. They will be fixed at launch time

blackout23 · 2014-09-15 11:49:48

linfan wrote:

I reinstalled gnome unstable but without wayland support and it loads.
1) Totem lacks coceces, have to use smplayer,
2) extensions are not en par with this release and
3) mouse cursor is not visible on the panel and on some apps from the panel, for instance poweroff etc.
Otherwise nothing peculiar about this version of Gnome. Feels exactly as 2.12.

9 times out of 10 it's enough to just declare the new shell version as supported in the metadata.json of the extension you are using. That means adding "3.13.91" to it.

linfan · 2014-09-15 12:53:49

Well, I guess again the so called extensive changes are under hood and only serving the developers. As a plain end user using gnome for daily trivial tasks, I cannot find anything at all that is different from gnome 3.12. Maybe i need to reconfigure gnome in my home directory and delete all .config and .gnome .cache etc. directories and remake my personal preferences.

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blackout23 · 2014-09-15 13:21:29

linfan wrote:

Well, I guess again the so called extensive changes are under hood and only serving the developers. As a plain end user using gnome for daily trivial tasks, I cannot find anything at all that is different from gnome 3.12. Maybe i need to reconfigure gnome in my home directory and delete all .config and .gnome .cache etc. directories and remake my personal preferences.

For me just having evince with client side decorations is enough. Now I can just close it like any other application when it is maximized.

I'm a bit disappointed that the notification system is still the same. Still requires you to install the TopIcons extension to get the Dropbox & Co. icons into the top panel where they should be.

A few months ago Allan Day wrote a blog post with a few ideas how a new notification system could look like. For me it's the one major weakpoint of Gnome. I'd be fine with the rest of the Gnome 3 desktop stabilizing with its current design.
http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2014/06/05/notify-me/

Creating folders directly on the dash via drag & drop like on Android would also be on my wishlist.

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linfan · 2014-09-15 14:11:25

As to the cursor, I had some whiteglass ones and they work, but the adwaita-cursor-themes do not work on the panel. At to the weather-extensions, they do not even install. Just tells me they are outtdated and gives me the option to remove. Cannot find them in /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions, so seems quite impossible even to edit them. Also experience horrible lags typing in firefox. Dunno what to think. But beta is beta I suppose :-)

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