What codecs and flash alternative plugins would you all recommend?

LiquidAurum · 2014-11-27 00:08:41

Yes I've read the wiki (sorry just to be safe)

And I get that it's a lot to choose from, which is why I don't like the idea of going through and testing each one. Not only that, I don't want to use old code such as Flash. I've been looking at the wiki so I installed Gnash, but still only got up to like 360p, sometimes not even working period. I tried lighspark and that didn't even build. And I installed shumway, and that didn't do anything.

Also my sound isn't working, I checked alsa and all I see is one master volume and that's highest and unmuted

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clfarron4 · 2014-11-27 00:28:31

LiquidAurum wrote:

Also my sound isn't working, I checked alsa and all I see is one master volume and that's highest and unmuted

Are you just using ALSA or PulseAudio as well?

LiquidAurum wrote:

And I get that it's a lot to choose from, which is why I don't like the idea of going through and testing each one. Not only that, I don't want to use old code such as Flash. I've been looking at the wiki so I installed Gnash, but still only got up to like 360p, sometimes not even working period. I tried lighspark and that didn't even build. And I installed shumway, and that didn't do anything.

I'm moving to just simply refusing to install Flash on my system and waiting for sites to catch up to HTML5. Unfortunately for me, it would seem that some sites are still moving over or aren't moving over for the foreseeable future...

Doing Flash without Flash is quite hard, and the solutions out there work for some and not the others...

ids1024 · 2014-11-27 00:28:48

If you want something fully functional, you have to use proprietary flash player. If you want an up to date version, there is the pepper flash that comes with Google Chrome. You can use that in Chromium with the chromium-pepper-flash package, or in Firefox or other npapi browsers with freshplayerplugin.

There is also pipelight, which allows you to run windows plugins under linux.

Gusar · 2014-11-27 00:30:54

There is no alternative to Flash. There's some attempts, but as you have experienced first hand, they're all very incomplete. The only real alternative is HTML5 video, but it's up to each specific website whether they provide their content via HTML5 or not. If a website requires Flash, you need Flash, no way around it.

LiquidAurum · 2014-11-27 00:35:31

So what do you do for like HD videos on youtube?

So what codecs do you recommend? I'm looking for quality and lossless as possible.

Now for audio, I use alsa and pulse, I temprarily fixed it by plugging into my mobo audio jack rather then my sound card (sound blaster Live! 5.1)

LiquidAurum · 2014-11-27 00:37:46

ids1024 wrote:

If you want something fully functional, you have to use proprietary flash player. If you want an up to date version, there is the pepper flash that comes with Google Chrome. You can use that in Chromium with the chromium-pepper-flash package, or in Firefox or other npapi browsers with freshplayerplugin.
There is also pipelight, which allows you to run windows plugins under linux.

For pepper flash, does that come in chrome? I know you said chromium but to my understanding chromium and chrome are 2 different things.

ids1024 · 2014-11-27 00:39:22

LiquidAurum wrote:

ids1024 wrote:
If you want something fully functional, you have to use proprietary flash player. If you want an up to date version, there is the pepper flash that comes with Google Chrome. You can use that in Chromium with the chromium-pepper-flash package, or in Firefox or other npapi browsers with freshplayerplugin.
There is also pipelight, which allows you to run windows plugins under linux.

For pepper flash, does that come in chrome? I know you said chromium but to my understanding chromium and chrome are 2 different things.

Chrome comes with pepper flash. Chromium does not, but can use it by installing the chromium-pepper-flash package from the AUR.
Edit: You can watch some youtube videos with the html5 player: http://www.youtube.com/html5

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clfarron4 · 2014-11-27 00:55:52

LiquidAurum wrote:

So what do you do for like HD videos on youtube?

Most of the recent videos just work with HTML5 out of the box, with no flash required. They are slowly converting many of the older videos over to HTML5 too.

drcouzelis · 2014-11-27 02:32:37

I'm really confused by your question. Are you looking for a way to watch Flash videos without using Flash?

A HUGE number of websites are supported by "youtube-dl" (and the mpv video player). The rare few video websites that aren't can't be downloaded with FlashGot (with Flash installed). Is that all you need?

Sadly, I still need Flash installed. I have a four year old girl who's addicted to online games.

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teateawhy · 2014-11-28 21:42:43

1080p for HTML5 video in firefox and hardware acceleration: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 920]thread

You should enable media.mediasource.enabled option on the about:config page. Also you need install gst-plugins-good and gst-libav packages via pacman.

Gusar · 2014-11-28 23:04:48

gst-libav is software decoding.

gst-vaapi is the one that provides hardware decoding of HTML5 video (if your driver supports VAAPI, so basically Intel), however decoded frames are then copied back into system RAM (which consumes resources), then colorspace conversion is done in software, and all the other operations required to get the final result on screen are done in software too. So basically a lot is still done in software and copying back decoded frames eliminates a lot of the advantage of hardware decoding.

Until Firefox gets a better video pipeline where everything from decoding, to colorspace conversion and scaling, as well as composition with other elements (such as the video interface) is done on the GPU, gst-vaapi doesn't provide any benefit.

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teateawhy · 2014-11-28 23:25:01

@Gusar
The details you have explained about hardware decoding and firefox are interesting, but besides the point. The OP asked for ways to play youtube videos without flash, and i provided a link about how to do it with html5. The word "hardware acceleration" appears in my post because it is in the thread title of the link, but it does not matter here.

Gusar · 2014-11-28 23:55:27

teateawhy wrote:

The OP asked for ways to play youtube videos without flash, and i provided a link about how to do it with html5.

Actually, the OP is a bit all over the place, you can see others are also not fully sure what exactly he's asking about.

teateawhy wrote:

The word "hardware acceleration" appears in my post because it is in the thread title of the link, but it does not matter here.

But the words are nevertheless in your post, right next to "gst-plugins-good and gst-libav", which could very well lead one to believe that's how you achieve hardware acceleration. So a post saying that's not the case is very much on-point.

LiquidAurum · 2014-12-03 15:58:07

I had actually asked 2 questions in one thread, my fault. My main question (revised): On ubuntu firefox I can watch Youtube videos in HD quality just fine. So what plugin is used on that distro? Can I get and use it on Arch?

karol · 2014-12-03 16:06:19

You didn't really tell us much.
What's your hardware? How do you watch YT? Flash or HTML5? Which firefox version did you use on Ubuntu? Are you using some firefox plugins that force e.g. html5? What related packages do you have installed on Ubuntu?

LiquidAurum · 2014-12-03 16:27:17

I had just quickly created a Ubuntu VM, hadn't really installed anything over the base packages (had done an apt-get update/upgrade command). Firefox Version is I believe 33.0. I don't know if flash or HTML5 as that's what I'm trying to figure out to replicate on Arch

drcouzelis · 2014-12-03 16:28:33

LiquidAurum wrote:

On ubuntu firefox I can watch Youtube videos in HD quality just fine. So what plugin is used on that distro?

I don't think anyone on the Arch Linux forums will know what software comes with Ubuntu.

As for what you, specifically, were using, the only person who can know what software you were using is you.

V1del · 2014-12-03 17:27:44

Maybe they enable the extension as part of the default package already

karol · 2014-12-03 17:38:18

You can use e.g. http://html5test.com/ and https://www.youtube.com/html5 to compare the output on various systems.
I don't know of any tool that lets you diff about:config.

progandy · 2014-12-03 17:45:35

karol wrote:

I don't know of any tool that lets you diff about:config.

You could sort and diff ~/.mozilla/firefox/PROFILE/prefs.js I guess.

klenamenis · 2014-12-03 18:39:39

Surprisingly, noone has mentioned Greasemonkey yet. It let's you use scripts like ViewTube which replace flash players with "it's own" where you can choose betwenn various installed ones like mplayer, vlc, HTML5, etc.

erkexzcx · 2014-12-04 10:10:02

From my own experience I could suggest that youtube only works with pepper flash plugin and chrome (chromium) browsers. Youtube on firefox and flashplayer didn't work at all. Worked, but crashed immediatelly...

So keep using google chrome

karol · 2014-12-04 10:20:17

erkexzcx wrote:

From my own experience I could suggest that youtube only works with pepper flash plugin and chrome (chromium) browsers. Youtube on firefox and flashplayer didn't work at all. Worked, but crashed immediatelly...
So keep using google chrome

I don't recall my browser crashing and I've been using firefox since forever. Seems quite a few other users don't have such issues either.
You can open a new thread if you want to try to get the bottom of it.

Gusar · 2014-12-04 10:48:10

Flash in firefox crashes a lot if hardware decoding is activated. Known issue since forever.

As for HD video on youtube in general, getting 1080p with HTML5 requires MSE support (media source extensions) that Firefox doesn't implement yet. They've only now activated it in nightlies to test, but there's still many bugs open. So 1080p in Firefox for now requires Flash.

karol · 2014-12-04 11:03:43

Indeed, enabling media.mediasource in about:config and trying to play html5 1080p YT clip crashed firefox immediately.

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