Kf5 applications and Oxygen decorations

digitalone · 2015-01-27 10:02:59

Some applications have moved from kf4 to kf5. In system settings I set oxygen decorations, but in kf5 apps like kate and gwenview I don't see it.

I still see it in kf4 apps like ktorrent, but not in kf5 apps. Why?

Besides, kate is ruined. At start, it forgets position, window size, desktop number and looses documents.

Why did you release that if it's not stable?

mrunion · 2015-01-27 13:30:20

1) They release following up-stream. KDE released it, so Arch followed suit.
2) I think I read somewhere that KF5 doesn't have Oxygen theme. (I don't use KDE right now, so I don't know this first hand. And I could just be plain wrong.)

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arojas · 2015-01-27 14:18:03

I guess you mean oxygen widget style. In that case, you can now install the oxygen 5.2.0 package in KDE4

digitalone · 2015-01-27 14:49:46

arojas wrote:

I guess you mean oxygen widget style. In that case, you can now install the oxygen 5.2.0 package in KDE4

Done it. It's very bad. Even gtk application with oxygen-gtk are more integrated.

V1del · 2015-01-27 15:10:02

You must switch to it refer to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Un … Qt5_styles the kde4 kcm obviously doesn't know about Qt5 so you have to do it manually if you still want to use KDE4

mathbb · 2015-01-27 15:19:25

Are you running plasma 5 or plasma 4.11.12 (i.e. the plasma in KDE 14.12)? I would assume the second, in which case I do not know how you could have installed the oxygen package, given that it depends on kwin which conflicts with kdebase-workspace. That said, if you are running 14.12 you either give up on oxygen, and choose a theme that work with both qt4 and qt5, like qtcurve or fusion (the fusion-qt4-hg package is in the AUR) or you set gtk apps to oxygen-gtk and tell qt to mimic the gtk style (write if you need help). There may be some glitches with the last method, but in general it worked well for me.

ilpianista · 2015-01-27 15:38:02

mathbb wrote:

I do not know how you could have installed the oxygen package, given that it depends on kwin which conflicts with kdebase-workspace.

This is no more true starting with oxygen >= 5.2.0

V1del · 2015-01-27 15:40:01

mathbb wrote:

Are you running plasma 5 or plasma 4.11.12 (i.e. the plasma in KDE 14.12)? I would assume the second, in which case I do not know how you could have installed the oxygen package, given that it depends on kwin which conflicts with kdebase-workspace. That said, if you are running 14.12 you either give up on oxygen, and choose a theme that work with both qt4 and qt5, like qtcurve or fusion (the fusion-qt4-hg package is in the AUR) or you set gtk apps to oxygen-gtk and tell qt to mimic the gtk style (write if you need help). There may be some glitches with the last method, but in general it worked well for me.

Thats not true anymore as of the most recent packages, the conflicting parts were split out, you can install and use oxygen-qt5 without the dependency on KDE 5

EDIT

Ninja'd

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mathbb · 2015-01-27 15:53:56

Great, the update to 5.2 hadn't reached the mirror I use, so I got the information on 5.1.95. Well, then it's a solved problem The kate session problem is there though, it may be an upstream bug.

digitalone · 2015-01-27 17:39:57

V1del wrote:

You must switch to it refer to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Un … Qt5_styles the kde4 kcm obviously doesn't know about Qt5 so you have to do it manually if you still want to use KDE4

What have I to do? Isn't enough to install oxygen package?
So, let me understand: which is the meaning of system settings if I have to set the style from konsole?

Anyway, look how beautiful are Dolphin and Writer (gtk) style:

Look now how bad are kate and gwenview:

Title bar is not integrated with the rest of the window. Drop-down and context menus are too large.

How can I get they look like kf4 applications?

arojas · 2015-01-27 17:48:57

digitalone wrote:

How can I get they look like kf4 applications?

Run oxygen-settings5 and sync the options with the KDE4 version. The spacing is that way by design, it can't be changed.

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Potomac · 2015-01-27 18:05:03

arojas wrote:

digitalone wrote:
How can I get they look like kf4 applications?
Run oxygen-settings5 and sync the options with the KDE4 version. The spacing is that way by design, it can't be changed.

can you be more explicit ?

which settings I must modify ?

I have the same problem, the font color seems weird, menus seems too large

mathbb · 2015-01-27 18:10:29

Or, force all QT applications to use the gtk style by setting QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk, by exporting the variable when you log in. This way you will get the compact look in all applications. The system setting module for choosing this in plasma5.

digitalone · 2015-01-27 18:12:08

arojas wrote:

digitalone wrote:
How can I get they look like kf4 applications?
Run oxygen-settings5 and sync the options with the KDE4 version. The spacing is that way by design, it can't be changed.

unable to load plugin kwin_oxygen_config

And no decoration to set:

mathbb · 2015-01-27 18:22:45

Plasma 5.2 doesn't include the oxygen decoration, it will come back in 5.3. You do get the oxygen widget style, but without the rest of the systemsetting I do not know how to config it to look the same as the qt4 one. As I said, you may want to try the other path.

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digitalone · 2015-01-27 18:36:21

I don't understand.
If I don't want plasma5 and want to remain with KDE4 workspace (maybe because I like it), why am I forced to switch any applications to kf5?

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mathbb · 2015-01-27 18:54:33

I guess the only answer to that is, because arch maintainers decided to push the kf5 applications in extra as opposed to testing. Kf5 applications work reasonably well, but there are a few bug to iron out both in konsole and kate, so I cannot say I agree with the decision. There argument is that there will not be bugfixes to the qt4 branch of applications, now that they released the qt5 version. And yeah, there are issues with theming. Not to be unduly insisting or anything, but have you tried setting qt apps to mimic gtk? It would solve at least that issue.

arojas · 2015-01-27 19:02:36

digitalone wrote:

I don't understand.
If I don't want plasma5 and want to remain with KDE4 workspace (maybe because I like it), why am I forced to switch any applications to kf5?

Because Arch ships the latest versions of packages. Nobody is forcing you to update.

digitalone · 2015-01-27 19:18:07

arojas wrote:

digitalone wrote:
I don't understand.
If I don't want plasma5 and want to remain with KDE4 workspace (maybe because I like it), why am I forced to switch any applications to kf5?
Because Arch ships the latest versions of packages. Nobody is forcing you to update.

You're right. I'll downgrade konsole, kate and gwenview. Then I'll put them (and future kde apps which switch to kf5) in IgnorePkg list.
Some KDE design choice are absurd and plasma5 is bad.

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digitalone · 2015-01-27 19:24:51

mathbb wrote:

Not to be unduly insisting or anything, but have you tried setting qt apps to mimic gtk? It would solve at least that issue.

No, I can't do it, but I won't anyway because there are other issues with new version of kate (as I specificed in the open post) that this solution doesn't fix.

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mathbb · 2015-01-27 19:38:24

Fair enough. Just out of personal curiosity, which design decision do you consider absurd?

digitalone · 2015-01-27 20:18:31

mathbb wrote:

Fair enough. Just out of personal curiosity, which design decision do you consider absurd?

To force kde4 users (not interested in plasma5) to switch their apps to kf5.

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V1del · 2015-01-27 20:39:02

The new applications that were ported to kf5 don't have anything to do with plasma and they can easily coexist with KDE4, the tab you show is for the window decoration which isn't what you want to change, what does it show on the other tab? And I'm sure digging around in .kde4 and the relevant .config directories for kf5 you will be able to copy over the oxygen configuration to the proper place in kf5 which will fix the colors, not on arch right now so can't tell you what exactly to change do some digging, find the files responsible for oxygen color configuration in both directories

Btw you are using Arch, a rolling release distro, if you want to stay with something old you should be using another distribution

digitalone · 2015-01-27 20:57:16

V1del wrote:

The new applications that were ported to kf5 don't have anything to do with plasma and they can easily coexist with KDE4

They're bugged.
Please, read open post. Kate doesn't save its state on logout.

V1del wrote:

the tab you show is for the window decoration which isn't what you want to change, what does it show on the other tab? And I'm sure digging around in .kde4 and the relevant .config directories for kf5 you will be able to copy over the oxygen configuration to the proper place in kf5 which will fix the colors, not on arch right now so can't tell you what exactly to change do some digging, find the files responsible for oxygen color configuration in both directories

Sorry, this doesn't solve completely my issues because new version of kate is bugged. I need it stable.
However, If I have to do all of that, I'm asking what kde tester were doing before releasing this applications.

V1del wrote:

Btw you are using Arch, a rolling release distro, if you want to stay with something old you should be using another distribution

I want to stay with something that works.

midixinga · 2015-01-27 21:35:32

digitalone wrote:

I want to stay with something that works.

what about debian ?

Arch Linux

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