Kf5 applications and Oxygen decorations

digitalone · 2015-01-27 21:52:15

midixinga wrote:

digitalone wrote:
I want to stay with something that works.
what about debian ?

No, till yesterday KDE worked well to me. And I have it from 3 years with Arch.

mrunion · 2015-01-28 01:10:54

Arch is a rolling release. It keeps up with the latest. If you want to stop at a specific point and no longer upgrade you will either have to: 1) "ignore" the packages that you don't want to upgrade (and self-manage your system because partial upgrades are not suported in Arch), or 2) not use Arch.

Obviously we all have opinions and they are welcomed in civil discussions. But Arch is and has always been a rolling release. It does not stand still, and those using it are expected to roll with it.

(And none of this is an attack, just a clarification. There are quite a few "why did Arch update, I liked xxxxx?". They updated because that is what Arch is all about.)

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Asta666 · 2015-01-28 04:30:43

mathbb wrote:

Or, force all QT applications to use the gtk style by setting QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk, by exporting the variable when you log in. This way you will get the compact look in all applications. The system setting module for choosing this in plasma5.

That worked for some parts of the applications but kwrite and gwenview in my case now use the default oxygen icons instead of the set selected in systemsettings, is there any way to also change this aspect?

digitalone · 2015-01-28 08:37:20

mrunion wrote:

Arch is a rolling release. It keeps up with the latest. If you want to stop at a specific point and no longer upgrade you will either have to: 1) "ignore" the packages that you don't want to upgrade (and self-manage your system because partial upgrades are not suported in Arch), or 2) not use Arch.
Obviously we all have opinions and they are welcomed in civil discussions. But Arch is and has always been a rolling release. It does not stand still, and those using it are expected to roll with it.
(And none of this is an attack, just a clarification. There are quite a few "why did Arch update, I liked xxxxx?". They updated because that is what Arch is all about.)

I know. In fact, as you can read from my latest posts, I'm blaming KDE, not Arch.

midixinga · 2015-01-28 10:56:33

digitalone wrote:

I know. In fact, as you can read from my latest posts, I'm blaming KDE, not Arch.

I don't think it's a KDE decision, that Arch uses KF5-Apps with KDE 14.12

If I understood right, it was a decision by Arch, and I support this decision

And imho these differences between oxygen KDE Platform 4 and oxygen KF5 are really negligible for me, in near future we all have to change to KF5

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arojas · 2015-01-28 11:11:43

midixinga wrote:

I don't think it's a KDE decision, that Arch uses KF5-Apps with KDE 14.12

It is a KDE decision. KDE didn't release two versions of applications, one using kdelibs 4 and one using KF5. They released just one version, and for some applications this version is based on KF5.

digitalone · 2015-01-28 11:25:04

midixinga wrote:

And imho these differences between oxygen KDE Platform 4 and oxygen KF5 are really negligible for me,

Not for me.

midixinga wrote:

in near future we all have to change to KF5

I'll change when things work well and I don't get crazy with all these issues.

Asta666 · 2015-02-02 00:57:08

Asta666 wrote:

mathbb wrote:
Or, force all QT applications to use the gtk style by setting QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk, by exporting the variable when you log in. This way you will get the compact look in all applications. The system setting module for choosing this in plasma5.
That worked for some parts of the applications but kwrite and gwenview in my case now use the default oxygen icons instead of the set selected in systemsettings, is there any way to also change this aspect?

In case anyone else finds it useful I was able to change the gtk2 applications icons (although still not the qt5 ones u.u) by switching to the style 'qtcurve' and disabling the option 'use kde equivalent' in the 'advanced settings' tab (and ofc setting the theme qtcurve for gtk applications with kde-gtk-config for instance).

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agapito · 2015-02-04 19:00:16

I completely agree with digitalone. I had a nice and working desktop before this update, and now i have a crappy graphic nightmare. Fonts in qt5 apps are horrible, and qt5 oxygen theme is ugly.

I love KDE4 and i will love KDE5/Plasma Framework when is ready to replace KDE4, but not now.

And no, i will not change Archlinux for another distro.

Crozepp · 2015-02-04 21:32:59

mrunion wrote:

Arch is a rolling release. It keeps up with the latest. If you want to stop at a specific point and no longer upgrade you will either have to: 1) "ignore" the packages that you don't want to upgrade (and self-manage your system because partial upgrades are not suported in Arch), or 2) not use Arch.
Obviously we all have opinions and they are welcomed in civil discussions. But Arch is and has always been a rolling release. It does not stand still, and those using it are expected to roll with it.
(And none of this is an attack, just a clarification. There are quite a few "why did Arch update, I liked xxxxx?". They updated because that is what Arch is all about.)

Arch is a rolling release distro, correct. But it has a testing repo for a very good reason. In my opinion when a desktop environment like KDE (plasma,kf5, whatever) reaches the stable repos it should be in a much better state than the current. We are talking about a desktop environment, not a random 3D game, a very important part of the system (dammit) IMO.

I'm a happy user of kf5 and plasma, but it clearly needs more work and time. KDE devs and mantainers should have a little more patience.

Peace.

mrunion · 2015-02-05 00:22:08

The project is in a transition, sure. But we ride that wave. Some people have been riding it for almost a year now.

But I respectfully disagree that it should wait longer. Release early and often. There are other distros thad pride themselves on constantly being stable. Arch is VERY stable for what it is, but there are occasional hiccups. But Arch provides ways around that -- IgnorePkg, switch DEs temporarily, etc.

But everyone has their own opinion. I definitely can see validity in yours -- but on another distro.

Xwang · 2015-08-27 19:03:39

How do I set the style of the KF5 apps in kde 14.12.
Is there any howto?
I've tried to change the style to GTK in system settings but there are a lot o small issues especially on the highlighting of cursors.

V1del · 2015-08-27 19:21:44

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Qt#Qt5

agapito · 2015-08-27 22:03:32

agapito wrote:

I completely agree with digitalone. I had a nice and working desktop before this update, and now i have a crappy graphic nightmare. Fonts in qt5 apps are horrible, and qt5 oxygen theme is ugly.
I love KDE4 and i will love KDE5/Plasma Framework when is ready to replace KDE4, but not now.
And no, i will not change Archlinux for another distro.

I have to say that now i am really satisfied with Plasma 5.4. Qt4 apps are looking really well using oxygen theme on Plasma Desktop.

Lone_Gunman · 2015-08-28 10:13:20

I have to say I must agree with Digitalone and the others.

The transition from KDE4 to KF5 seems the same chaos to me as I experienced from KDE3 to KDE4 (I'm a long time user).
IIt seems that the KDE team will never learn, but on the Arch side, I'm a bit disappointed by blindly following the KDE move.

Bleeding edge rolling release means extra features at the expense of some unstability. Today my Dolphin file manager switched to the KF5 version : Guess what, I've lost all of my network folders functionality (SMB, SFTP...) after a so called "upgrade". This is not unstability, this is just a loss of basic functionality which is not acceptable, especially concerning a file manager of a DE...
I'm not even talking about the esthetic mess introduced by the rough mix of qt4 and qt5, everyone knows tht people using graphical environments just don't care about eyecandy.

Don't worry, as a good Arch user I will spend hours of free time crawling the forums for the next days to try to fix it instead of just using my previously well working DE for useful purposes.

Sorry for the rant.

Buddlespit · 2015-08-28 11:29:06

@Lone_Gunman- Like you, I remember the kde3 to 4 switch. And like you, I got quite upset with Plasma5 and Arch (I also have my rant in the forums somewhere). But in my search for a user friendly (read: beginner) distro that used kde4, I couldn't find one that didn't have plasma/kf5 bleeding into it. I ended up installing Kubuntu 14.04 onto my daughter's laptop and I'm hoping it remains stable enough to keep her off of my back.

But I switch to Plasma5 about 4 months ago. I came to the conclusion (with a point made by my wife) that we aren't going to get rock solid, eye-popping performance straight out of the gate. Like the kde3 to 4 switch, developers need us users to run and debug their software for them. They can't possibly run into every scenario in a testbed. They need us to tell them what's broken, what's ugly and what doesn't work as expected. They need us to fill bug reports.

Granted, I think our lone (KDE) packager (Arojas) is a tad flippant in his answers when it comes to some things not working properly, but he's also god-awful busy. He has to compile everything coming down the pipeline, he has to figure out how to install the packages the Arch way, so it doesn't break anything else and he has to figure out if the issues we're having is a fault of his decisions (really? kdeconnect-git needs kwayland-git?) or if it's something upstream or even from a different package group (read:QT5). Scimmia does a great job wrangling the bugs for us.

I guess my point is: If you want rock solid, try Kubuntu. Want to help make Plasma5 work? Install Arch and participate.

Arch Linux

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