Why does kdemultimedia depend on gstreamer?

Gullible Jones · 2006-03-23 00:52:19

I don't know why this didn't occur to me before, but... As far as I can tell, the only KDE application that uses GStreamer as of right now is amaroK. The stuff in the kdemultimedia package doesn't seem to use GStreamer at all... Is this actually an unnecessary dep?

Neuro · 2006-03-23 06:33:28

KDE's dependencies are generally too broad IMHO. But unfortunately I doubt it'll change in the near future:
http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/4233

tpowa · 2006-03-23 07:09:02

juk needs it

Neuro · 2006-03-23 07:18:03

tpowa wrote:

juk needs it

But it's a pretty broad dependency. And JuK can output to arts AFAIK.

tpowa · 2006-03-23 07:19:58

go ahead use abs to build own kde packages or build seperate apps the wiki tells you how it works
greetings
tpowa

JGC · 2006-03-23 08:30:30

Ow, Gstreamer is so huge on archlinux, it pulls in all codecs, it adds lots of bloat to your system, and even worse... it starts with a G, you don't want such a thing on your system.

Neuro · 2006-03-23 08:41:40

tpowa wrote:

go ahead use abs to build own kde packages or build seperate apps the wiki tells you how it works
greetings
tpowa

This is not about building my own packages. Please don't taking it personally, but by saying "build your own packages", you cut off a discussion that could possibly lead to improving things a bit. I think you're doing a fabulous job maintaining the kde packages, they are stable, they are up-to-date, but I wanted to put this up for your consideration.

As for my point of view: Take JuK for example. It uses gstreamer as an optional output plugin. It would fare pretty well for the newcomers using artsd so that it would just "play". Users who would want gstreamer could just install it either way and thanks to the bindings already in JuK, they'd be able t use it as an output plugin. I think this would go well with Arch's "KISS" policy.

tpowa · 2006-03-23 09:24:27

try to uninstall gstreamer and start juk enjoy the show
kde is as modular from depends as it's possible, perhaps it will be easier in kde4 i don't know.

Neuro · 2006-03-23 09:28:50

tpowa wrote:

try to uninstall gstreamer and start juk enjoy the show

Ok, you've got me on that one

Gullible Jones · 2006-03-23 20:37:02

Hmm. Can kdemultimedia be compiled without GStreamer support? Juk does work fine with aRTs after all.

(In fact, I could never find a way to make it output to anything else...)

tpowa · 2006-03-23 20:56:19

sure it can be compiled without it, use abs for it.
my last statement on this kde packages are made as modular as possbile and most user friendly.
for the rest it's up to you to finetune, compile or whatever you want.
enjoy the freedom.

kth5 · 2006-03-24 13:57:42

/me looks left, then right and nods silently

when i run `df -h` what does it say?

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