Why wont my game play on Arch PC but does on Ubuntu etc? [SOLVED]

Uzi · 2015-04-04 01:19:04

Hi guys,

This is doing my head in. Let's see if I can explain with some clarity.

My favorite game, Sins of a Solar Empire Rebelion (SOASER) plays through Wine (POL) perfectly on my PC using Ubuntu & Zorin. It doesn't need anything other than Nouveau driver. I use Arch as my no1 OS & want it working on that (dual booting at the moment but hate doing that) but nothing I do (different versions of Wine or switching to Nvidia driver) works. I even installed 32 bit version OS to eliminate multiarch issues. It loads fine but I get a black screen which 'reveals' the game in 'blinks' so I can access the game menu & exit.

Logic says this is an Arch problem but it runs perfectly on my Laptop.

So runs on Arch laptop, Zorin, Ubuntu - just not on Arch on my PC...????!!!! I installed Homeworld. Bioshock, Red Alert 3 & they run perfectly.

Any ideas where I can look for an answer?

WinHQ btw gives SOASER a 'Gold' using Arch & Wine 1.7.19 which I tried too.

Cheers

Uzi.

Last edited by Uzi (2015-04-07 00:15:36)

xodbox · 2015-04-04 11:30:38

Uzi wrote:

So runs on Arch laptop, Zorin, Ubuntu - just not on Arch on my PC...????!!!! I installed Homeworld. Bioshock, Red Alert 3 & they run perfectly.
Any ideas where I can look for an answer?

Click the Debug button, in POL.
Read the output for anything that might help, if you see anything that might be related, particularly around or just before the time when the display issue occurs. Search the net for any errors or warnings that you see.

Also check the official game forum for wine threads, as well as winehq's appdb, sometimes there is a wine setup guide posted, list of dependencies, or troubleshooting information. You might need other specific libs, dependencies or configuration that comes pre-installed on ubuntu but not on arch.

You can also try create a clean wineprefix, and install the dependencies by hand instead instead of using POL.

brebs · 2015-04-04 12:53:13

Uzi wrote:

WinHQ btw gives SOASER a 'Gold' using Arch & Wine 1.7.19 which I tried too.

Did you try the *exact* Wine version 1.7.19? Or a different version?

Wine in Ubuntu is ver 1.6.2 (with patches).

In ver 1.7.x, things *break* often.

Uzi · 2015-04-05 00:50:00

brebs wrote:

Uzi wrote:
WinHQ btw gives SOASER a 'Gold' using Arch & Wine 1.7.19 which I tried too.
Did you try the *exact* Wine version 1.7.19? Or a different version?
Wine in Ubuntu is ver 1.6.2 (with patches).
In ver 1.7.x, things *break* often.

Yes, tried 1.7.19 and current versions AND 1.6.2. All have save problem game runs but alternates between black screen & game. As I also said, it works fine using basic set up on my laptop. It has to be something with Arch & my Nvidia card (Geforce 9500GT) which Ubuntu handles better. Note I also said it runs on Nouveau so not a Nvidia driver issue..... running Nvidia driver makes it worse btw usually doesn't get past the intro to the menu screen.

Cheers.

Uzi

Last edited by Uzi (2015-04-05 00:52:28)

Uzi · 2015-04-05 22:47:47

xodbox wrote:

Uzi wrote:
So runs on Arch laptop, Zorin, Ubuntu - just not on Arch on my PC...????!!!! I installed Homeworld. Bioshock, Red Alert 3 & they run perfectly.
Any ideas where I can look for an answer?
Click the Debug button, in POL.
Read the output for anything that might help, if you see anything that might be related, particularly around or just before the time when the display issue occurs. Search the net for any errors or warnings that you see.
Also check the official game forum for wine threads, as well as winehq's appdb, sometimes there is a wine setup guide posted, list of dependencies, or troubleshooting information. You might need other specific libs, dependencies or configuration that comes pre-installed on ubuntu but not on arch.
You can also try create a clean wineprefix, and install the dependencies by hand instead instead of using POL.

Thanks for the debug tip but they read the same in Arch that doesn't work to Ubuntu that does. I use different wineprfix for each wine version too.

ewaller · 2015-04-05 23:33:46

Uzi wrote:

Thanks for the debug tip but they read the same in Arch that doesn't work to Ubuntu that does.

I honestly cannot parse that sentence.

Is your laptop running Arch? Zorin? Ubuntu? I cannot tell having read the entire thread multiple times.
I am hung up on

Logic says this is an Arch problem but it runs perfectly on my Laptop.

.
I do not follow the logic. What is the basis for that assertion?

Uzi · 2015-04-07 00:14:32

ewaller wrote:

Uzi wrote:
Thanks for the debug tip but they read the same in Arch that doesn't work to Ubuntu that does.
I honestly cannot parse that sentence.
Is your laptop running Arch? Zorin? Ubuntu? I cannot tell having read the entire thread multiple times.
I am hung up on
Logic says this is an Arch problem but it runs perfectly on my Laptop.
.
I do not follow the logic. What is the basis for that assertion?

I dont understand your reply. You answer the 1st question yourself in your 2nd ie from my OP "Logic says this is an Arch problem but it runs perfectly on my Laptop.

So runs on Arch laptop...."

.....and my point was SOASER runs perfectly on Debian, Ubuntu, Zorin on my PC AND Laptop but not on my PC running Arch. So logic says its an Arch problem but I then say that also doesn't make sense as it runs on my Arch Laptop so must be Arch & my graphics card somehow.

Remember, I posted here because I couldn't make sense of this problem, in the hope someone would/could help point me towards the culprit. Brebs & Xodbox pointed me in the direction that has allowed me to solve it.

For those who may run into this issue the fault lies with PLAYONLINUX & using it for older versions of Wine. My game will not work on Wine 1.7.xx or 1.6.xx via POL BUT 1.6.2-3 Wine-Stable is in the AUR ........ and my game now works on Arch again.

Cheers

Uzi.

helix · 2015-04-07 01:29:31

So, as you realized yourself, your problem is wine specific, not Arch specific

Uzi · 2015-04-07 03:12:02

helix wrote:

So, as you realized yourself, your problem is wine specific, not Arch specific

Err . no.! Arch default (inc POL) is 1.7.xx. Debian even up to unstable is on 1.6.xx. So MY issue is ARCH version of Wine & POL on Arch not working right. So both are culprit.

Seems to me, most here are more interested in defending Arch (which i have had as my no 1 distro for almost 2 yrs mostly trouble free) & nit picking rather than helping posters solve their problem. I wont bother again.

ewaller · 2015-04-07 05:04:27

Uzi wrote:

I dont understand your reply. You answer the 1st question yourself in your 2nd ie from my OP "Logic says this is an Arch problem but it runs perfectly on my Laptop.
So runs on Arch laptop...."
.....and my point was SOASER runs perfectly on Debian, Ubuntu, Zorin on my PC AND Laptop but not on my PC running Arch. So logic says its an Arch problem but I then say that also doesn't make sense as it runs on my Arch Laptop so must be Arch & my graphics card somehow.
Remember, I posted here because I couldn't make sense of this problem, in the hope someone would/could help point me towards the culprit. Brebs & Xodbox pointed me in the direction that has allowed me to solve it.

I am an engineer, not a linguist. Perhaps I don't fully appreciate the beauty of your syntax. But, don't edit your post to clarify something after I responded to them, and then try to push it back on me as if I did not understand. Prior to your edit, it did not say "So runs on Arch laptop....". Nice try.

Uzi · 2015-04-07 05:15:18

ewaller wrote:

Uzi wrote:
I dont understand your reply. You answer the 1st question yourself in your 2nd ie from my OP "Logic says this is an Arch problem but it runs perfectly on my Laptop.
So runs on Arch laptop...."
.....and my point was SOASER runs perfectly on Debian, Ubuntu, Zorin on my PC AND Laptop but not on my PC running Arch. So logic says its an Arch problem but I then say that also doesn't make sense as it runs on my Arch Laptop so must be Arch & my graphics card somehow.
Remember, I posted here because I couldn't make sense of this problem, in the hope someone would/could help point me towards the culprit. Brebs & Xodbox pointed me in the direction that has allowed me to solve it.
I am an engineer, not a linguist. Perhaps I don't fully appreciate the beauty of your syntax. But, don't edit your post to clarify something after I responded to them, and then try to push it back on me as if I did not understand. Prior to your edit, it did not say "So runs on Arch laptop....". Nice try.

How did you become a Moderator?

You should check your facts before publicly making incorrect statements. The ONLY thing edited in the OP is the subject line to SOLVED as clearly supported by the fact that it was quoted by Xodbox in his reply the same day.

I'm done with this nonsense. I hope my reply detailing how to fix this if anyone has the same problem, helps in the future. I wont be asking for help here again.

ewaller · 2015-04-07 14:41:17

Uzi wrote:

You should check your facts before publicly making incorrect statements. The ONLY thing edited in the OP is the subject line to SOLVED as clearly supported by the fact that it was quoted by Xodbox in his reply the same day.

If you say so. It is entirely possible I did not fully understand everything you wrote. Regardless, I am glad you got it working.

Rasi · 2015-04-07 20:10:25

even it its not worth anything: when i first looked at this post a few days, he did in fact say that it worked on his arch laptop

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ewaller · 2015-04-07 20:11:46

In that case, I apologize.

DarkCerberus · 2015-04-08 11:46:11

Even though this thread was marked as solved by the one who posted it, I found this on Sins of the solar empire forum http://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/171844 - it is an unofficial guide on how to get it to run on Linux, also if it's got Securom it may be wise also to try wine-staging you can read it here https://github.com/wine-compholio/wine-staging - this may solve the issue properly since it includes patches not included in official vanilla wine - I use wine staging for most games and so far I haven't had problems with it well not with modern games anyway.... Uzi it may be wise to watch your attitude against forum moderators since it's against https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fo … _not_flame - the forum rules......

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