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AlexanderHolmgaard

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Registered: 2014-11-18

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[SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

Hello!
I just installed arch linux and gnome shell with only few applications. I was using netctl-auto, which I enabled using systemctl during the installation. Everything was worked fine, until I installed the packages tlp and tlp-rdw. They pulled in NetworkManager as a dependency and now I can only use this and not netctl. When I try to uninstall NetworkManager it doesn't allow me, because of some applications that depend on it. One of them is "telepathy-mission-control" and appearantly gnome-shell is depending on that... I have no idea why this complication suddenly occurs, since everything was working fine until I installed tlp, tlp-rdw and its dependencies.
Can anyone tell me how to disable or preferably completely remove NetworkManager in favor of netctl, so we can be re-united and live happily in netctl-auto-harmony once again?

Last edited by AlexanderHolmgaard (2015-04-16 12:27:16)

Head_on_a_Stick

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

# systemctl stop NetworkManager.service
# systemctl disable NetworkManager.service

The capitalisation is important

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AlexanderHolmgaard

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

Perfect, thanks a lot! Netctl-auto is working again now. I absolutely love netctl..
Do you have any idea if I in any way can remove NetworkManager too? I realize that it is pretty much without significance, I just don't really like the idea of having redundant stuff like that lying around

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

Do you have any idea if I in any way can remove NetworkManager too?

You could try rebuilding tlp & tlp-rdw using the ABS and remove the dependency.

I don't know if that would actually work but it's the only option I can think of.

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AlexanderHolmgaard

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

Alright, thanks for the suggestion! I think I'm just gonna stick with having it lying around, it can't take up that much memory anyway. Netctl is working like a charm again, so thats what matters

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

My personal configuration is to use netctl and to keep NetworkManager around in a dormant state.  Occasionally I find myself in a hotel or business that have strange networks that are difficult to connect to using netctl.  It can be done, but for short stays it is easier just to turn off netctl and use NetworkManager.  It is nice to have an extra tool when needed.

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AlexanderHolmgaard

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

True. I never thought about it that way. Never came across a network I couldn't connect to using netctl. But right you are, good to have a backup! Thanks

AlexanderHolmgaard

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

Okay, so a problem has occured again.. After a reboot it would seem that NetworkManager is enabled again. And this time the only way I could get access to the internet through either one of them, was with netctl when I stopped and disabled NetworkManager AND, for some reason, I also had to delete the filed in /etc/netctl/ that contains the info for the network I was using, and connect to it from wifi-menu again...
Any suggestions how I can make NetworkManager not do this, when I reboot again? Would be nice if I didn't have to do this every time, I turn my computer back on

AlexanderHolmgaard

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

Okay, I figured it out now. Had to mask it with systemctl to make it now start up after a reboot. I used following commands:

sudo systemctl mask NetworkManager
sudo systemctl mask NetworkManager-dispatcher

Gonna mark this as solved.

kenwong

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

But is nm-applet still running in the background?

AlexanderHolmgaard

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

Yes, unfortunately it is. But it is not disturbing the functionality anymore. Do you know how I can disable it?

ooo

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

But is nm-applet still running in the background?

Yes, unfortunately it is. But it is not disturbing the functionality anymore. Do you know how I can disable it?

/etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop starts it automatically with most desktops. Simplest way to disable it would be removing the file, and adding it to NoExtract in your pacman.conf

It's not even required in gnome since networking has been integrated to the shell, so you could just disable it even if you were using networkmanager with gnome

kenwong

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

and adding it to NoExtract in your pacman.conf

Do you mean that in the pacman.conf file I make it like this?

NoExtract=/etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop

ooo

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

and adding it to NoExtract in your pacman.conf

Do you mean that in the pacman.conf file I make it like this?

NoExtract=/etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop

yes. see 'man pacman.conf' for details.

EDIT: actually it looks like that can't have that first /, so this should work better:

NoExtract=etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop

Last edited by ooo (2015-04-16 15:05:18)

linrunner

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

Hi,

just for the record: only the package tlp-rdw depends on NetworkManager. You may happily use tlp alone.

Last edited by linrunner (2015-04-16 20:34:55)

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Re: [SOLVED] Disable/remove NetworkManager, and use netctl

Hi,

just for the record: only the package tlp-rdw depends on NetworkManager. You may happily use tlp alone.

Not entirely accurate, because if you enable tlp.service it will automatically pull in NetworkManager in any case. Just hit this myself. Which is why masking works above.

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