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I can't seem to get bluetooth working. I'm using blueberry and bluez. Blueberry reports that it's visible as "Bastien's computer", but it never shows up on my phone. Also I think "Bastien's computer" was a bug that was fixed, but does anyone know why I still have it?
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Hey, might be unrelated but I had to downgrade my blueman yesterday since it wouldn't connect to my earphones any more. After that and rebooting it worked as usual (so I downgraded to blueman-2.1-0.3.git7a2e20e.fc23.x86_64). It might be related to this: https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman/issues/537
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davidgf wrote:Have you guys tried 4.7 anyway?
XPS13 Dev edition here (i5, intel nic), currently running linux-mainline kernel, which is at version 4.7rc1.
fbc and psr are disabled, rc6 enabled.Seems to be working entirely fine here. No noticeable changes in battery life or anything else from 4.6 really. (usage hovers between 4W and 8W depending on activity).
Do you mind pasting your full kernel args for us to see? Are you using the default linux that comes with the laptop? I'm really interested on the dev edition kernel and args. Is it a vanilla kernel?
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I'm using the vanilla kernel nothing special. Just pretty standard arch setup and its working fine for me.
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Do you mind pasting your full kernel args for us to see? Are you using the default linux that comes with the laptop? I'm really interested on the dev edition kernel and args. Is it a vanilla kernel?
First of all, no I'm using Arch. It came with Ubuntu 14.04, which I simply overwrote after booting it once to see that everything worked.
The kernel I'm currently using is 4.7rc1-1 from the linux-mainline package in the AUR, without any personal modifications. Haven't gotten around to updating to rc5 yet.
The only two kernel arguments added are pcie_aspm=force and i915.enable_rc6=7. (Though as per discussion in this thread: the driver doesn't report support for rc6p and rc6pp, despite both being shown by powertop). Enabling either psr or fbc causes flickering.
Tools installed to improve power management are TLP (using default packaged config) and powertop. I have also blacklisted the bluetooth modules entirely, as I have no use for it. Currently it idles (with X and one terminal running, connected to wifi) between 3.58W and 4.12W
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@OdinEidolon, mkey
Thanks for this information about energy comsumption. Appreciate it.kircul wrote:Hi everyone,
Finally I got an official response from Dell's Customer Support:
Regarding our conversation today, we currently have no support for Thunderbolt/USB-C ports on our Linux systems, as all of the drivers and firmware are Windows-specific. I’ve been told that they want to have firmware/drivers in the future, but we have no ETA or timeline for that right now, it might not even be this year.
What does this exatly mean? Which Adapters are working, which not? What about TB15 Dock? Ist it working at all?
Would be great to add some information about this to the Wiki article.
Here is some more information I could get from Dell's support:
These systems are marketed as Developer Edition because we do not have full software support on them. We are looking to incorporate information for the Ubuntu user community to help us develop fuller support. You can find more information here: http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/cam … l=en&s=biz. More information can be found here, as well: http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter … ons/f/4613. Our engineers are working on getting things like drivers and firmware converted over, but we have no ETA. As stated before Thunderbolt isn’t truly supported by Ubuntu, we have had intermittent success in its implementation with customers.
This particular Firmware update is only to fix issues with peer-to-peer connection loss when resuming from sleep/hibernate. If you are not using a USB-C/Thunderbolt dock, you really do not need this firmware. I have spoken with a few colleagues here and we are working on a custom boot environment that we might be able to provide to you that will allow this update. We just need to get it compiled and tested. We will let you know if it is successful or not.
I don't have this dock station, so I cannot confirm or deny if there are any issues with this device, but according to most recent answer I assume there are some stability issues.
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davidgf wrote:Do you mind pasting your full kernel args for us to see? Are you using the default linux that comes with the laptop? I'm really interested on the dev edition kernel and args. Is it a vanilla kernel?
First of all, no I'm using Arch. It came with Ubuntu 14.04, which I simply overwrote after booting it once to see that everything worked.
The kernel I'm currently using is 4.7rc1-1 from the linux-mainline package in the AUR, without any personal modifications. Haven't gotten around to updating to rc5 yet.
The only two kernel arguments added are pcie_aspm=force and i915.enable_rc6=7. (Though as per discussion in this thread: the driver doesn't report support for rc6p and rc6pp, despite both being shown by powertop). Enabling either psr or fbc causes flickering.
Tools installed to improve power management are TLP (using default packaged config) and powertop. I have also blacklisted the bluetooth modules entirely, as I have no use for it. Currently it idles (with X and one terminal running, connected to wifi) between 3.58W and 4.12W
Wow that's remarkable! I have exactly the same setup (kernel and args) but I'm not able to get to 4W. Could you please share your TLP config? I'm afraid I might be using a different default config. I get 6-7 Watts idling (aroudn 5W sometimes) so the laptop gets quite hot doing browsing. It might also have something to do with the desktop (I'm using cinnamon) so I'll run powertop using a raw tty. Any particular firmware version you are running?
Thanks a lot!
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Wow that's remarkable! I have exactly the same setup (kernel and args) but I'm not able to get to 4W. Could you please share your TLP config? I'm afraid I might be using a different default config. I get 6-7 Watts idling (aroudn 5W sometimes) so the laptop gets quite hot doing browsing. It might also have something to do with the desktop (I'm using cinnamon) so I'll run powertop using a raw tty. Any particular firmware version you are running?
Thanks a lot!
I just checked the TLP config file, it's byte-for-byte identical with the one here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/linru … er/default Edit: Actually, looking at that config file, there's a fair amount of stuff I should probably fix that's just outright wrong, such as disk descriptors etc.
Haven't performed any firmware updates or the like, it shipped with BIOS 1.3.3 already installed.
The DE used may well have an impact. I'm using bspwm, which naturally has a very small footprint. But perhaps blacklisting the bluetooth modules contributes more than I thought.
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I tried turning radio off, closing the desktop (moving to a raw tty) and I still get 5.8 - 6.5 Watts, which is weird. Might it be the HDD? Is yours NVME?
I just noticed the TLP is targeting sda / sdb but not my NVME driver
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I tried turning radio off, closing the desktop (moving to a raw tty) and I still get 5.8 - 6.5 Watts, which is weird. Might it be the HDD? Is yours NVME?
I just noticed the TLP is targeting sda / sdb but not my NVME driver
It's NVME and I also haven't changed the drive targeting, no idea if it's even compatible with SSDs or NVME. But that's me out of ideas, I haven't done anything else to this thing and the reported Wattage is consistant.
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davidgf wrote:I tried turning radio off, closing the desktop (moving to a raw tty) and I still get 5.8 - 6.5 Watts, which is weird. Might it be the HDD? Is yours NVME?
I just noticed the TLP is targeting sda / sdb but not my NVME driverIt's NVME and I also haven't changed the drive targeting, no idea if it's even compatible with SSDs or NVME. But that's me out of ideas, I haven't done anything else to this thing and the reported Wattage is consistant.
could you show output of
sudo smartctl -a /dev/nvme0n1
?
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Hey guys,
does your graphics card work right? I just got a 2016 xps 13 last week and so far most things are working ok, but I feel like the graphics card doesn't perform as it should. I'm running gnome and as an example pressing the super key which shows all open windows isn't that smooth and a little bit choppy and I don't think that it should be like that. I also get things like this http://imgur.com/z1BojWW and if I open pictures on imgur (zooming in) and then scroll it flickers and the elements behind the picture shine through. That also happens while playing videos on youtube. Overall I have the feeling something just doesnt work right. I have xf86-video-intel installed right now, but I also uninstalled it and deleted 20-intel.conf but that didnt change anything. I also tried out accel options in 20-intel.conf and added kernel parameters.
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Hey guys,
does your graphics card work right? I just got a 2016 xps 13 last week and so far most things are working ok, but I feel like the graphics card doesn't perform as it should. I'm running gnome and as an example pressing the super key which shows all open windows isn't that smooth and a little bit choppy and I don't think that it should be like that. I also get things like this http://imgur.com/z1BojWW and if I open pictures on imgur (zooming in) and then scroll it flickers and the elements behind the picture shine through. That also happens while playing videos on youtube. Overall I have the feeling something just doesnt work right. I have xf86-video-intel installed right now, but I also uninstalled it and deleted 20-intel.conf but that didnt change anything. I also tried out accel options in 20-intel.conf and added kernel parameters.
Yes, mine is working. How did you install archlinux+gnome? What kernel? What driver version? Any kernel param? Which browser? Is system up to date?
could you show output of
sudo smartctl -a /dev/nvme0n1
?
I'm not him but just for reference, here is mine.
┌─[Xps13 ~ ]
└─╼ sudo smartctl -a /dev/nvme0n1
smartctl 6.5 2016-05-07 r4318 [x86_64-linux-4.7.0-1-drm-intel-nightly] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-16, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Number: PM951 NVMe SAMSUNG 256GB
Serial Number: S29NNXAGC40883
Firmware Version: BXV77D0Q
PCI Vendor/Subsystem ID: 0x144d
IEEE OUI Identifier: 0x002538
Controller ID: 1
Number of Namespaces: 1
Namespace 1 Size/Capacity: 256,060,514,304 [256 GB]
Namespace 1 Utilization: 246,194,024,448 [246 GB]
Namespace 1 Formatted LBA Size: 512
Local Time is: Thu Jun 30 14:26:33 2016 PDT
Firmware Updates (0x06): 3 Slots
Optional Admin Commands (0x0017): Security Format Frmw_DL *Other*
Optional NVM Commands (0x001f): Comp Wr_Unc DS_Mngmt Wr_Zero Sav/Sel_Feat
Maximum Data Transfer Size: 32 Pages
Supported Power States
St Op Max Active Idle RL RT WL WT Ent_Lat Ex_Lat
0 + 6.00W - - 0 0 0 0 5 5
1 + 4.20W - - 1 1 1 1 30 30
2 + 3.10W - - 2 2 2 2 100 100
3 - 0.0700W - - 3 3 3 3 500 5000
4 - 0.0050W - - 4 4 4 4 2000 22000
Supported LBA Sizes (NSID 0x1)
Id Fmt Data Metadt Rel_Perf
0 + 512 0 0
=== START OF SMART DATA SECTION ===
Read NVMe SMART/Health Information failed: NVMe Status 0x2002
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Yes, mine is working. How did you install archlinux+gnome? What kernel? What driver version? Any kernel param? Which browser? Is system up to date?
I installed them through Antergos. Kernel 4.6.3.1.
xf86-video-intel: 1:2.99.917, just updated today, but didnt change anything.
Right now I have the params: i915.enable_rc6=0, i915.preliminary_hw_support=1 and i915.enable_ips=0. Might not be right to have them all but I tried them in all combinations and just left it like that for now.
Yea everything up to date.
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I installed them through Antergos.
Antegros is not Arch. Please ask your distro's community; we only support Arch. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Co … pport_ONLY
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ksim wrote:could you show output of
sudo smartctl -a /dev/nvme0n1
?
I'm not him but just for reference, here is mine.
Supported Power States St Op Max Active Idle RL RT WL WT Ent_Lat Ex_Lat 0 + 6.00W - - 0 0 0 0 5 5 1 + 4.20W - - 1 1 1 1 30 30 2 + 3.10W - - 2 2 2 2 100 100 3 - 0.0700W - - 3 3 3 3 500 5000 4 - 0.0050W - - 4 4 4 4 2000 22000
Do you also have 3-4W in idle? As I see you NVME disk the lowest power state is 3W, plus screen on the lowest brightness 2.5W, CPU ~0.5W, it is about 6W people usually have here.
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If I'm not wrong the HDD has 5 power states: (do an lspci --v) D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-
I suspect the minus signs (-) mean that state is disabled so the disk never goes into D3hot. I guess the latencies there are in milliseconds, so by default the disk goes into D2- when not used for a while, it takes 100ms to enter that state and "only" uses 3W. When Linux needs to write to disk it will wake it into D0- (taking 100ms in the process).
Anyone knows how to enable D3hot? (I believe D3cold is power off, taking 2s to come back and just burning 5mW seems to imply that only some bus logic is active).
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A while ago I posted that there was a BIOS update to 1.4.3. Now it seems this version is no longer available on Dell's website. Does anyone know why it got pulled? I am currently running 1.4.3 with no issues. Very strange.
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I am currently running 1.4.3 with no issues. Very strange.
the latest is 1.4.4, was on this page https://downloads.dell.com/published/pa … aptop.html yesterday, works perfectly for me. battery live with Win10 is the same as non NVME versions now, with minimal brightness it is about 2.8-3W in idle.
Upd: the link to the latest version: https://downloads.dell.com/FOLDER037695 … _1.4.4.exe
the update page mentioned fixes for usb-c and touchscreen disable (it was active after a sleep)
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frank604 wrote:ksim wrote:could you show output of
sudo smartctl -a /dev/nvme0n1
?
I'm not him but just for reference, here is mine.
Supported Power States St Op Max Active Idle RL RT WL WT Ent_Lat Ex_Lat 0 + 6.00W - - 0 0 0 0 5 5 1 + 4.20W - - 1 1 1 1 30 30 2 + 3.10W - - 2 2 2 2 100 100 3 - 0.0700W - - 3 3 3 3 500 5000 4 - 0.0050W - - 4 4 4 4 2000 22000
Do you also have 3-4W in idle? As I see you NVME disk the lowest power state is 3W, plus screen on the lowest brightness 2.5W, CPU ~0.5W, it is about 6W people usually have here.
I've never gotten 3W. My usual idle is 5.5W-6.5W. Not sure how 3W is possible but would like to if it is achievable.
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I've never gotten 3W. My usual idle is 5.5W-6.5W. Not sure how 3W is possible but would like to if it is achievable.
this is why we asking the guy about that:
Currently it idles (with X and one terminal running, connected to wifi) between 3.58W and 4.12W
It's NVME
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kgizdov wrote:I am currently running 1.4.3 with no issues. Very strange.
the latest is 1.4.4, was on this page https://downloads.dell.com/published/pa … aptop.html yesterday, works perfectly for me. battery live with Win10 is the same as non NVME versions now, with minimal brightness it is about 2.8-3W in idle.
Upd: the link to the latest version: https://downloads.dell.com/FOLDER037695 … _1.4.4.exe
the update page mentioned fixes for usb-c and touchscreen disable (it was active after a sleep)
Hmm, is there a checksum or a page for that download. I'd rather not brick my laptop...
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ksim wrote:kgizdov wrote:I am currently running 1.4.3 with no issues. Very strange.
the latest is 1.4.4, was on this page https://downloads.dell.com/published/pa … aptop.html yesterday, works perfectly for me. battery live with Win10 is the same as non NVME versions now, with minimal brightness it is about 2.8-3W in idle.
Upd: the link to the latest version: https://downloads.dell.com/FOLDER037695 … _1.4.4.exe
the update page mentioned fixes for usb-c and touchscreen disable (it was active after a sleep)Hmm, is there a checksum or a page for that download. I'd rather not brick my laptop...
the page was removed, no garantee, sorry. May be it is better to wait.
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Baba Tong wrote:davidgf wrote:I tried turning radio off, closing the desktop (moving to a raw tty) and I still get 5.8 - 6.5 Watts, which is weird. Might it be the HDD? Is yours NVME?
I just noticed the TLP is targeting sda / sdb but not my NVME driverIt's NVME and I also haven't changed the drive targeting, no idea if it's even compatible with SSDs or NVME. But that's me out of ideas, I haven't done anything else to this thing and the reported Wattage is consistant.
could you show output of
sudo smartctl -a /dev/nvme0n1
?
Sorry for delay on this. The output is:
Copyright (C) 2002-16, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Number: PM951 NVMe SAMSUNG 256GB
Serial Number: S29NNXAH243112
Firmware Version: BXV77D0Q
PCI Vendor/Subsystem ID: 0x144d
IEEE OUI Identifier: 0x002538
Controller ID: 1
Number of Namespaces: 1
Namespace 1 Size/Capacity: 256,060,514,304 [256 GB]
Namespace 1 Formatted LBA Size: 512
Local Time is: Sun Jul 3 18:17:41 2016 BST
Firmware Updates (0x06): 3 Slots
Optional Admin Commands (0x0017): Security Format Frmw_DL *Other*
Optional NVM Commands (0x001f): Comp Wr_Unc DS_Mngmt Wr_Zero Sav/Sel_Feat
Maximum Data Transfer Size: 32 Pages
Supported Power States
St Op Max Active Idle RL RT WL WT Ent_Lat Ex_Lat
0 + 6.00W - - 0 0 0 0 5 5
1 + 4.20W - - 1 1 1 1 30 30
2 + 3.10W - - 2 2 2 2 100 100
3 - 0.0700W - - 3 3 3 3 500 5000
4 - 0.0050W - - 4 4 4 4 2000 22000
Supported LBA Sizes (NSID 0x1)
Id Fmt Data Metadt Rel_Perf
0 + 512 0 0
=== START OF SMART DATA SECTION ===
Read NVMe SMART/Health Information failed: NVMe Status 0x2002
The information looks identical to what frank604 got on his.
The discharge rates I'm getting remain the same. Here is the output from powerstat:
Running for 300.0 seconds (30 samples at 10.0 second intervals).
Power measurements will start in 180 seconds time.
Time User Nice Sys Idle IO Run Ctxt/s IRQ/s Fork Exec Exit Watts
18:26:41 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 72 32 0 0 0 3.48
18:26:51 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 55 26 0 0 0 3.48
18:27:01 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 75 34 0 0 0 3.48
18:27:11 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 77 35 0 0 0 3.91
18:27:21 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 69 30 0 0 0 3.91
18:27:31 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 78 35 0 0 0 4.22
18:27:41 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 76 34 0 0 0 3.48
18:27:51 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 65 31 0 0 0 3.48
18:28:01 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 67 30 0 0 0 3.48
18:28:11 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 78 35 0 0 0 3.48
18:28:21 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 79 35 0 0 0 3.63
18:28:31 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 64 30 0 0 0 3.52
18:28:41 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 70 33 0 0 0 3.63
18:28:51 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 63 31 0 0 0 3.47
18:29:01 0.0 0.0 0.1 99.9 0.0 1 80 37 0 0 0 3.50
18:29:11 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 75 35 0 0 0 3.48
18:29:21 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 66 29 0 0 0 3.48
18:29:31 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 65 30 0 0 1 3.76
18:29:41 0.0 0.0 0.1 99.9 0.0 1 75 35 0 0 0 3.49
18:29:51 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 66 32 0 0 0 3.48
18:30:01 0.0 0.0 0.1 99.9 0.0 1 67 31 0 0 0 3.55
18:30:11 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 98 44 0 0 0 3.72
18:30:21 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 68 30 0 0 0 3.63
18:30:31 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 69 33 0 0 2 3.48
18:30:41 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 68 32 0 0 0 3.48
18:30:51 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 62 32 0 0 0 3.47
18:31:01 0.1 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1 64 30 0 0 0 3.48
18:31:11 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 77 36 0 0 0 3.48
18:31:21 0.0 0.0 0.1 99.9 0.0 1 59 27 0 0 0 3.48
18:31:31 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1 55 25 0 0 0 3.48
-------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ---- ---- ---- ------
Average 0.0 0.0 0.0 100.0 0.0 1.0 70.1 32.2 0.0 0.0 0.1 3.57
StdDev 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 8.5 3.6 0.0 0.0 0.4 0.17
-------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ---- ---- ---- ------
Minimum 0.0 0.0 0.0 99.9 0.0 1.0 55.0 25.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.47
Maximum 0.1 0.0 0.1 100.0 0.0 1.0 98.1 44.1 0.0 0.0 2.0 4.22
-------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ---- ---- ---- ------
Summary:
System: 3.57 Watts on average with standard deviation 0.17
And those figures are also what I'm getting in powertop.
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System: 3.57 Watts on average with standard deviation 0.17
And those figures are also what I'm getting in powertop.
this is awesome, looks like you know a secret, how to make it work.
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