Dell XPS 13 9350 Late 2015

Baba Tong · 2016-07-03 18:52:17

ksim wrote:

Baba Tong wrote:
System:   3.57 Watts on average with standard deviation 0.17  
And those figures are also what I'm getting in powertop.
this is awesome, looks like you know a secret, how to make it work.

Well I really wish I knew what it was... There is of course also just the possibility of the battery being broken and reporting incorrect stats. I guess the only real foolproof way of testing would be to charge it up fully and then leave it idle and see how long it lasts... unfortunately I don't have the time to do so at the moment (because even using it, the battery lasts for solid stretches of time).

frank604 · 2016-07-03 19:57:55

ksim wrote:

kgizdov wrote:
ksim wrote:
the latest is 1.4.4, was on this page https://downloads.dell.com/published/pa … aptop.html yesterday, works perfectly for me. battery live with Win10 is the same as non NVME versions now, with minimal brightness it is about 2.8-3W in idle.
Upd: the link to the latest version: https://downloads.dell.com/FOLDER037695 … _1.4.4.exe
the update page mentioned fixes for usb-c and touchscreen disable (it was active after a sleep)
Hmm, is there a checksum or a page for that download. I'd rather not brick my laptop...
the page was removed, no garantee, sorry. May be it is better to wait.

I just flashed the XPS_9350_1.4.4.exe that was in Ksim's 2nd link. Here is my shasum output.

┌─[Xps13 /boot/EFI ]
└─╼ shasum XPS_9350_1.4.4.exe                                                                                         
c3cde2aa01e5c3603051ce36db05f0d7584218c5  XPS_9350_1.4.4.exe

edit: thanks ksim for the link

Last edited by frank604 (2016-07-03 19:58:26)

ksim · 2016-07-04 07:11:49

frank604 wrote:

I just flashed the XPS_9350_1.4.4.exe that was in Ksim's 2nd link. Here is my shasum output.
┌─[Xps13 /boot/EFI ]
└─╼ shasum XPS_9350_1.4.4.exe                                                                                         
c3cde2aa01e5c3603051ce36db05f0d7584218c5  XPS_9350_1.4.4.exe

and now it is official http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/ … 350-laptop

diraimondo · 2016-07-05 16:28:58

diraimondo wrote:

mkey wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm wondering if anybody managed to solve the touchpad bug which appeared since 4.5 kernel.
Currently - with libinput installed and 4.6 kernel - 3 fingers touch randomly switches the touchpad to y-axis mode and a second 3 finger touch is needed to revert it back to normal.
Does somebody have information about this issue ?
I had such problem since 4.5 kernel (rc releases). As workaround I used the module psmouse blacklisting the i2c_hid one. This fixed the problem but I always had a different feedback (less sensible) with this driver.
Since one hour I'm testing a patch proposed by a Dell developer on a kernel bug report: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112791
I've obviously switched on i2c_hid driver too restoring the original good feedback I had. It looks that this patch is working. I'll wait the end of the day to give a feedback to the developer. Feel free to test this patch.

I can confirm that the fix for the touchpad is now included in kernel source code: I'm running a kernel 4.7.0rc6 using the i2c_hid module without touchpad stuck issues.

I'm in love again with my touchpad!

coconutoil · 2016-07-05 17:07:27

With the below info, I can't get below 8W even idle in a fresh Gnome session. I'm not using any kernel paramaters although I've tried a few different rc6 things. I am running force_aspm, but even so I'm not noticing any difference with the different options.
Is anyone running my model, QHD+ and NVMe and the i7-6560 able to get below 8W or so, and is it likely the NVMe lack of power saving that's causing most of my high power drain or combination of that with QHD+ and higher clock-speed i7 etc. Bluetooth is disabled via Gnome etc.

This is my model info:

Hardware:
Processor: Intel Core i7-6560U @ 3.20GHz (4 Cores), Motherboard: Dell <service tag>, Chipset: Intel Skylake, Memory: 16384MB, 
Disk: PM951 NVMe SAMSUNG 512GB, Graphics: Intel Iris 540, Audio: Realtek ALC3246, Network: Intel Wireless 8260

Software:
OS: Arch Linux, Kernel: 4.6.3-1-ARCH (x86_64), Desktop: GNOME Shell 3.20.3, Display Driver: modesetting 1.18.3, OpenGL: 3.3 Mesa 11.2.2, 
Compiler: GCC 6.1.1 20160602 + Clang 3.8.0, File-System: ext4, Screen Resolution: 3200x1800

kang · 2016-07-06 13:49:38

8w for that setup is +- what is to be expected with the current drivers, including on bios 1.4.4 (touchscreen disable in bios doesnt seem to change anything despite the bios changelog indicating its better now)

qball · 2016-07-06 14:31:55

I currently get (not on archlinux) on my 13" 3.91 W (with 0.08 dev) idle with wireless connected.

Intel i7-6500 @ 2.5GHz.
Memory: 8Gb
Disk: 256Gb NVMe (Samsung)
Bios: 1.4.4
Screen: FullHD on 20% brightness
Kernel: 4.7.0

I can drop power by lowering brightness (3.6W on 10%, 3.5W on 5%. )
With the above model (same as coconutoil) we get around 8-10W. idle.

coconutoil · 2016-07-06 18:19:56

I just updated to 4.7rc6 and the brightness levels from keyboard go to full black now. Love it.
And at low brightness, total empty idle, I can get about 6.5W now.
And yes, forgot to mention 1.4.4 BIOS.

frank604 · 2016-07-07 00:50:41

Looks like WD15 dock still doesn't work perfectly in mainline 4.7-rc6. I've been using a snapshot of the intel nightly from June and it seems to be the least bug ridden of the bunch. Since it is a nightly branch there is no pkgbuild I can share however I have the pkg.tar.xz if you trust me and you can install with pacman -U. The recent intel next nightlies have this annoying mouse cursor bug where it ghosts and trails.

Link: Click here

I do have snapshots for the last month for most days if anyone needs it for testing purpose. Just thought I'd share this since there's a few WD15 users out there.

bakteria · 2016-07-07 09:51:43

diraimondo wrote:

diraimondo wrote:
mkey wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm wondering if anybody managed to solve the touchpad bug which appeared since 4.5 kernel.
Currently - with libinput installed and 4.6 kernel - 3 fingers touch randomly switches the touchpad to y-axis mode and a second 3 finger touch is needed to revert it back to normal.
Does somebody have information about this issue ?
I had such problem since 4.5 kernel (rc releases). As workaround I used the module psmouse blacklisting the i2c_hid one. This fixed the problem but I always had a different feedback (less sensible) with this driver.
Since one hour I'm testing a patch proposed by a Dell developer on a kernel bug report: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112791
I've obviously switched on i2c_hid driver too restoring the original good feedback I had. It looks that this patch is working. I'll wait the end of the day to give a feedback to the developer. Feel free to test this patch.
I can confirm that the fix for the touchpad is now included in kernel source code: I'm running a kernel 4.7.0rc6 using the i2c_hid module without touchpad stuck issues.
I'm in love again with my touchpad!

Just wanted to show my appreciation to the people behind this patch. Have been running 4.7.0r6 since last night and the touchpad has been working great!
I have yet to find a good palm detection setting though. I get the occasional scrolling and mouse movement when typing.
Anyone have a good setting to share?

This is my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf

Section "InputClass"
	Identifier "touchpad catchall"
	Driver "synaptics"
MatchIsTouchpad "on"
	Option "VertTwoFingerScroll" "1"
	Option "HorizTwoFingerScroll" "1"
	Option "MaxTapTime" "0"
	Option "TapButton1" "1"
	Option "TapButton2" "2"
	Option "TapButton3" "3"
	Option "CoastingSpeed" "0"
	Option "PalmDetect" "1"
	Option "PalmMinWidth" "3"
	Option "PalmMinZ" "100"
	Option "Clickpad" "1"
	Option "SoftButtonAreas" "0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0"
EndSection

OdinEidolon · 2016-07-07 10:09:08

bakteria wrote:

diraimondo wrote:
diraimondo wrote:
I had such problem since 4.5 kernel (rc releases). As workaround I used the module psmouse blacklisting the i2c_hid one. This fixed the problem but I always had a different feedback (less sensible) with this driver.
Since one hour I'm testing a patch proposed by a Dell developer on a kernel bug report: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112791
I've obviously switched on i2c_hid driver too restoring the original good feedback I had. It looks that this patch is working. I'll wait the end of the day to give a feedback to the developer. Feel free to test this patch.
I can confirm that the fix for the touchpad is now included in kernel source code: I'm running a kernel 4.7.0rc6 using the i2c_hid module without touchpad stuck issues.
I'm in love again with my touchpad!
Just wanted to show my appreciation to the people behind this patch. Have been running 4.7.0r6 since last night and the touchpad has been working great!
I have yet to find a good palm detection setting though. I get the occasional scrolling and mouse movement when typing.
Anyone have a good setting to share?
This is my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
Section "InputClass"
	Identifier "touchpad catchall"
	Driver "synaptics"
MatchIsTouchpad "on"
	Option "VertTwoFingerScroll" "1"
	Option "HorizTwoFingerScroll" "1"
	Option "MaxTapTime" "0"
	Option "TapButton1" "1"
	Option "TapButton2" "2"
	Option "TapButton3" "3"
	Option "CoastingSpeed" "0"
	Option "PalmDetect" "1"
	Option "PalmMinWidth" "3"
	Option "PalmMinZ" "100"
	Option "Clickpad" "1"
	Option "SoftButtonAreas" "0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0"
EndSection

I have the XPS15 and not the 13, but I find libinput works beautifully, even better than Synaptics. Did you try that?

cabellicar123 · 2016-07-08 00:06:58

Has anyone had trouble with their laptop suspending? Mine just wakes up immediately after it appears to suspend.

OdinEidolon · 2016-07-08 07:44:04

cabellicar123 wrote:

Has anyone had trouble with their laptop suspending? Mine just wakes up immediately after it appears to suspend.

Always, or only when connected to AC? Whn on AC I have to disconnect it, set it to sleep, and then reconnect it. Otherwise it works fine on battery. However, it is the XPS15, no the 13.

Last edited by OdinEidolon (2016-07-08 07:44:30)

twiggers · 2016-07-08 10:02:23

cabellicar123 wrote:

Has anyone had trouble with their laptop suspending? Mine just wakes up immediately after it appears to suspend.

Mine, as of late, almost always reboots when I wake it up after suspending

Last edited by twiggers (2016-07-08 10:14:15)

coconutoil · 2016-07-08 11:17:43

twiggers wrote:

cabellicar123 wrote:
Has anyone had trouble with their laptop suspending? Mine just wakes up immediately after it appears to suspend.
Mine, as of late, almost always reboots when I wake it up after suspending

I've never had any issues like that. Maybe one or twice total it's failed to wake up, but otherwise suspend works almost flawlessly.

frank604 · 2016-07-08 13:41:13

Wake up immediately from suspend = never had that issue with this laptop. Check your acpi wakeup?
Reboot upon wake = I've had this issue on previous linux mainline kernels. Not sure really what fixed it ... didn't look into too much but this issue hasn't happened to me for about a month now. Only thing I've changed was adding a swap file and changing to intel next kernel and bios update. Don't think swap had anything to do with it so maybe the kernel? Bios? I do remember when I had this issue, suspend works correctly only on AC. But when I suspend on battery, it would reboot on wake.

Last edited by frank604 (2016-07-08 13:42:13)

cabellicar123 · 2016-07-08 13:57:19

OdinEidolon wrote:

Always, or only when connected to AC? Whn on AC I have to disconnect it, set it to sleep, and then reconnect it. Otherwise it works fine on battery. However, it is the XPS15, no the 13.

Seems to be when connected to AC. I can try that as a workaround, but does anyone know the root of the problem. Perhaps the AC adapter is issuing some strange ACPI wakeup?

Lagoon · 2016-07-08 13:57:25

cabellicar123 wrote:

Has anyone had trouble with their laptop suspending? Mine just wakes up immediately after it appears to suspend.

I have the same issue with Linux 4.6.1 and 4.6.2, but not with 4.6 and below. I haven't tried 4.6.3 yet and haven't bothered to dissect.

cabellicar123 · 2016-07-08 14:01:40

Lagoon wrote:

I have the same issue with Linux 4.6.1 and 4.6.2, but not with 4.6 and below. I haven't tried 4.6.3 yet and haven't bothered to dissect.

This has been a recent issue for me too. I'm running 4.6.3 so my guess is it has not been fixed yet.

bart_vv · 2016-07-08 14:29:02

cabellicar123 wrote:

Has anyone had trouble with their laptop suspending? Mine just wakes up immediately after it appears to suspend.

Mine too, although suspending it again immediately after at least works.

cabellicar123 wrote:

Just wanted to show my appreciation to the people behind this patch. Have been running 4.7.0r6 since last night and the touchpad has been working great!
I have yet to find a good palm detection setting though. I get the occasional scrolling and mouse movement when typing.

Could you be so kind to share your palm detection settings when you find good ones? It has always been a problem (had good settings on my previous laptop, but unfortunately I have lost them) with synaptics (bad/no defaults). Libinput seems to get it right, though, default settings are great for me (including palm detection).

One issue I get with touchpad is sometimes, after some time or after some specific gesture (?) - can't pinpoint what triggers it, I get strange touchpad behavior. For example, right-click stops working. Or two finger right click emulation stops working. Or (most annoying) normal click acts as right click. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I am able to get it to work properly again by "spamming" the touchpad with various clicks/gestures. I use libinput, never flashed my bios (1.0). Anyone had this before?

coconutoil · 2016-07-08 16:01:16

One issue I get with touchpad is sometimes, after some time or after some specific gesture (?) - can't pinpoint what triggers it, I get strange touchpad behavior. For example, right-click stops working. Or two finger right click emulation stops working. Or (most annoying) normal click acts as right click. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I am able to get it to work properly again by "spamming" the touchpad with various clicks/gestures. I use libinput, never flashed my bios (1.0). Anyone had this before?

This should be fixed as per at least kernel 4.7rc6 using libinput.
If you read back through this thread there are a LOT of people (almost everyone) who've had this.

coconutoil · 2016-07-08 18:18:45

Just went to mesa 12 from testing. Working great so far!

frank604 · 2016-07-08 19:26:10

I personally don't like enabling the testing repo. Great to hear you are enjoying mesa 12 though.

rgzfxf6bhu · 2016-07-09 14:58:49

coconutoil wrote:

One issue I get with touchpad is sometimes, after some time or after some specific gesture (?) - can't pinpoint what triggers it, I get strange touchpad behavior. For example, right-click stops working. Or two finger right click emulation stops working. Or (most annoying) normal click acts as right click. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I am able to get it to work properly again by "spamming" the touchpad with various clicks/gestures. I use libinput, never flashed my bios (1.0). Anyone had this before?
This should be fixed as per at least kernel 4.7rc6 using libinput.
If you read back through this thread there are a LOT of people (almost everyone) who've had this.

For the time being you can tap the touchpad with three fingers simultaneously and then you should be able to use your touchpad again.

Last edited by rgzfxf6bhu (2016-07-09 15:00:05)

davidgf · 2016-07-09 22:47:09

Hey guys I need your help this time!

After updating to Fedora 24, I get a "no devices detected" on Xorg.
But I do have the kernel module for i915 and also /dev/dri/card0 present
Any ideas?

Arch Linux

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