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#101 2017-04-06 12:55:38
- eanderalx
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
As Info for everyone who has problems with the Dell DA200 HDMI
I've tested an USB-C to HDMI cable. It worked with full HD.
AUKEY CB-C54 6ft USB 3.1 USB-C to HDMI Cable
"Man kann ein Problem nicht mit den gleichen Denkstrukturen lösen, die zu seiner Entstehung beigetragen haben." (Albert Einstein)
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#102 2017-04-06 13:12:44
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
That is normal thermal throttling. I believe it is triggered around 90c. I see it every now and then when I kick off some heavy loads. thermald appears a bit sluggish to respond to rapid rises in temperature at time, and so the hardware throttling mechanism will kick in.
With just firefox and nothing intensive running it doesn't seem normal. I usually have the browser + IDE + a couple of terminals running and it doesn't get nearly as high.
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#103 2017-04-06 13:15:45
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
You should install a temperature monitor and take a look at how hot your CPUs are getting. I use a KDE thermal monitor extension in my systray to always display the current temperature of both cores. If you're not using thermald, you should also install it and see if that helps prevent overheating.
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#104 2017-04-07 02:10:26
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
Just hit my first case of suspend failing with 4.1.8. Lid was open, and sleep timer kicked in, but power light never went off and was forced to power cycle. Still cannot ever reproduce this manually for debugging.
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#105 2017-04-07 11:28:34
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
Hitting similar issues with my XPS 13 on 4.10.8 - this is Fedora 25, but this is the only thread I can seem to find discussing these problems.
For the MCE errors: they're a bit misleading, there's a thread on LKML about it, it's just normal hardware throttling down but it gets reported as an error. Seems like they're working on fixing it: https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/1/6/441
For the not-coming-back-from-blank-screen error, I see this constantly, have to reboot to get things working again. After 10-20 minutes with the lid open and screen goes black, I see this in my logs:
Apr 07 05:59:01 ancient.bitbin.de kernel: [drm:i915_gem_idle_work_handler [i915]] *ERROR* Timeout waiting for engines to idle
Seems related, but not much on Google about that error. The machine is otherwise up, so if you enable SSH you should be able to get in and reboot more gracefully.
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#106 2017-04-09 01:03:47
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
These are also sold with ubuntu preinstalled, so the hardware works pretty well? Is there anything to worry about when getting one to put arch on, or is it all good? Does the wifi card work with linux-libre, or does it need proprietary firmware?
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#107 2017-04-09 09:22:49
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
Everything works with Arch except for the fingerprint reader (no special treatment required). Make sure you update your bios to the latest version or you might have trouble booting in AHCI mode.
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#108 2017-04-11 14:40:37
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
Seems related, but not much on Google about that error. The machine is otherwise up, so if you enable SSH you should be able to get in and reboot more gracefully.
This is different than the suspend/resume problem I have. Whenever the system fails to suspend (power light does not shut off), I am completely unable to SSH in. For my case, if the system is still on, at least the WIFI is successfully being disabled, so a cold reset is required.
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#109 2017-04-13 10:49:01
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
I want to buy Dell XPS 13 9360 with 16GB RAM and FHD screen (non-touch 1920x1080, not the QHD+). I've thoroughly searched the web and chatted with sales reps, but this combo seems unavailable. As RAM is soldered into the board, neither RAM nor screen are feasible to upgrade later. Has anyone had a similar dilemma? What was your decision? Thanks.
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#110 2017-04-13 11:20:06
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
I want to buy Dell XPS 13 9360 with 16GB RAM and FHD screen (non-touch 1920x1080, not the QHD+). I've thoroughly searched the web and chatted with sales reps, but this combo seems unavailable. As RAM is soldered into the board, neither RAM nor screen are feasible to upgrade later. Has anyone had a similar dilemma? What was your decision? Thanks.
I bought a XPS13 Developer Edition (Ubuntu) with i7-7560U, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD and FHD Non-Touch recently (read, last week, delivered yesterday), so there are models like this available, at least through Dell Germany. Dell Order Code / E-Value Code for mine is cnx93618.
My System: Dell XPS 13 | i7-7560U | 16GB RAM | 512GB SSD | FHD Screen | Arch Linux
My Workstation/Server: Supermicro X11SSZ-F | Xeon E3-1245 v6 | 64GB RAM | 1TB SSD Raid 1 + 6TB HDD ZFS Raid Z1 | Proxmox VE
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#111 2017-04-13 13:36:40
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
latgarf wrote:I want to buy Dell XPS 13 9360 with 16GB RAM and FHD screen (non-touch 1920x1080, not the QHD+). I've thoroughly searched the web and chatted with sales reps, but this combo seems unavailable. As RAM is soldered into the board, neither RAM nor screen are feasible to upgrade later. Has anyone had a similar dilemma? What was your decision? Thanks.
I bought a XPS13 Developer Edition (Ubuntu) with i7-7560U, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD and FHD Non-Touch recently (read, last week, delivered yesterday), so there are models like this available, at least through Dell Germany. Dell Order Code / E-Value Code for mine is cnx93618.
Thank you very much, Seiichiro! The Dell code that you mentioned became a deal maker for me. It seems that cnx93618 is only available in Europe. I checked UK, Germany, France, Denmark - they all offer it. But not Hong Kong, Australia, New Zealand or USA. UK Dell support told me that they ship only to UK. I was able to order it with help from my european friend.
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#112 2017-04-14 17:11:51
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
As you may know from my last post I recently got a XPS 13. So now that everything is configured and running as I want it, I tried to get power usage down to get the most from the battery.
I use TLP with standard settings, and all works well so far, meaning I get it down to around 3.25W of idle power draw (WIFI on and connected, BT on, Display off, Idling in X/i3 with only a Terminal open). To get this down to the absolute minimum, tried the linux-nvme kernel from AUR to make use of the SSDs power saving features. To my surprise, there is no change in power usage with the linux-nvme Kernel. So maybe someone has seen this and has an idea what might be missing. I use the SSD that came with the System, which is a Toshiba according to smartctl output:
Model Number: THNSN5512GPUK NVMe TOSHIBA 512GBSo first measurements with the standard Arch Kernel (4.10.9):
powerstat:
Running for 480.0 seconds (48 samples at 10.0 second intervals).
Power measurements will start in 0 seconds time.
Time User Nice Sys Idle IO Run Ctxt/s IRQ/s Fork Exec Exit Watts
14:16:03 0.6 0.0 0.2 99.2 0.0 1 405 112 10 7 9 4.38
14:16:13 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 302 95 6 6 6 4.63
14:16:23 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 279 80 6 6 6 4.58
14:16:33 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.6 0.0 1 307 97 7 6 6 2.80
14:16:43 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 296 96 6 6 7 3.40
14:16:53 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.6 0.0 1 266 82 6 6 6 3.03
14:17:03 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 281 91 6 6 7 3.85
14:17:13 0.4 0.0 0.3 99.2 0.0 1 5249 154 8 6 6 4.20
14:17:23 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.4 0.0 1 338 97 7 6 6 2.94
14:17:33 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.4 0.1 1 4814 104 7 6 7 3.37
14:17:43 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 294 105 8 6 7 3.04
14:17:53 0.3 0.0 0.3 99.4 0.0 1 5233 107 6 6 7 3.16
14:18:03 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 281 86 6 6 8 5.37
14:18:13 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 290 100 6 6 7 2.95
14:18:23 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 279 82 6 6 7 3.04
14:18:33 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 277 86 6 6 6 3.23
14:18:43 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 2 287 94 6 6 6 3.51
14:18:53 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 273 81 6 6 6 2.96
14:19:03 0.2 0.0 0.2 99.6 0.0 1 281 88 7 6 6 3.19
14:19:13 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 310 131 6 6 6 3.19
14:19:23 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 335 106 7 6 6 2.92
14:19:33 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 289 85 6 6 8 2.91
14:19:43 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 295 94 6 6 6 3.72
14:19:53 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 271 79 6 6 6 2.97
14:20:03 0.3 0.0 0.3 99.4 0.0 1 5334 113 8 6 6 3.26
14:20:13 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 289 96 6 6 6 3.09
14:20:23 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.6 0.0 1 275 77 6 6 6 2.84
14:20:33 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 280 85 6 6 7 3.21
14:20:43 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 294 93 6 6 6 3.03
14:20:53 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 4903 80 6 6 6 3.18
14:21:03 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 286 87 7 6 7 3.07
14:21:13 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.4 0.0 1 322 125 6 6 6 3.31
14:21:23 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 352 106 7 6 6 3.08
14:21:33 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 296 92 7 6 7 2.93
14:21:43 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 283 94 6 6 6 3.16
14:21:53 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 268 75 6 6 6 3.03
14:22:03 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 282 84 6 6 7 2.88
14:22:13 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 290 100 6 6 6 2.98
14:22:23 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 271 78 6 6 7 3.03
14:22:33 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 275 82 6 6 6 2.98
14:22:43 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.4 0.0 1 480 184 11 8 8 2.92
14:22:53 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 276 77 6 6 6 2.82
14:23:03 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 297 89 6 6 7 2.99
14:23:13 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.4 0.0 1 309 114 6 6 7 3.01
14:23:23 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 348 98 8 6 7 3.23
14:23:33 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.4 0.0 1 282 89 6 6 7 2.89
14:23:43 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 293 92 6 6 6 3.11
14:23:53 0.2 0.0 0.2 99.6 0.0 1 276 77 6 6 6 3.01
-------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ---- ---- ---- ------
Average 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1.0 799.8 96.2 6.5 6.1 6.5 3.26
StdDev 0.1 0.0 0.1 0.1 0.0 0.1 1470.6 19.9 1.0 0.3 0.7 0.53
-------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ---- ---- ---- ------
Minimum 0.2 0.0 0.1 99.2 0.0 1.0 266.4 74.8 6.0 6.0 6.0 2.80
Maximum 0.6 0.0 0.3 99.6 0.1 2.0 5334.1 184.3 11.0 8.0 9.0 5.37
-------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ---- ---- ---- ------
Summary:
System: 3.26 Watts on average with standard deviation 0.53nvme get-feature -f 0x0c -H /dev/nvme0:
get-feature:0xc (Autonomous Power State Transition), Current value:00000000
Autonomous Power State Transition Enable (APSTE): Disabled
Auto PST Entries .................
Entry[ 0]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 50 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 3
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Entry[ 1]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 50 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 3
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Entry[ 2]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 50 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 3
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Entry[ 3]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 6000 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 4
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Entry[ 4]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 4
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Entry[ 5]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 6]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 7]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 8]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 9]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[10]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[11]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[12]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[13]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[14]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[15]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[16]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[17]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[18]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[19]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[20]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[21]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[22]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[23]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[24]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[25]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[26]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[27]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[28]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[29]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[30]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[31]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
.................And the same for linux-nvme (4.10.10):
powerstat:
Running for 480.0 seconds (48 samples at 10.0 second intervals).
Power measurements will start in 0 seconds time.
Time User Nice Sys Idle IO Run Ctxt/s IRQ/s Fork Exec Exit Watts
14:35:25 0.6 0.0 0.2 99.2 0.0 1 378 145 9 7 9 4.85
14:35:35 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 310 101 7 6 7 3.03
14:35:45 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.4 0.0 1 268 107 7 6 7 3.17
14:35:55 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 222 77 6 6 6 3.22
14:36:05 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 229 83 6 6 6 2.99
14:36:15 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 247 96 6 6 7 3.68
14:36:25 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 233 84 6 6 6 2.90
14:36:35 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 224 82 6 6 6 3.19
14:36:45 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 245 98 6 6 6 3.12
14:36:55 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 225 78 6 6 6 3.34
14:37:05 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 225 78 6 6 6 3.16
14:37:15 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.4 0.0 1 252 95 7 6 6 3.30
14:37:25 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 2 266 126 6 6 6 3.27
14:37:35 0.5 0.0 0.2 99.3 0.0 1 285 94 8 6 7 3.08
14:37:45 0.5 0.0 0.2 99.3 0.1 1 272 114 7 6 8 3.24
14:37:55 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 244 96 7 6 6 3.22
14:38:05 0.2 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 235 82 6 6 8 3.27
14:38:15 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 243 92 6 6 8 3.42
14:38:25 0.2 0.0 0.1 99.7 0.0 1 230 82 6 6 6 3.27
14:38:35 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 221 76 6 6 6 3.30
14:38:45 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.4 0.0 1 245 93 7 6 6 3.22
14:38:55 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 225 82 6 6 6 3.18
14:39:05 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 223 78 6 6 6 3.28
14:39:15 0.4 0.0 0.2 99.4 0.0 1 252 97 7 6 8 3.54
14:39:25 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 271 131 6 6 6 3.25
14:39:35 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 282 92 7 6 6 3.56
14:39:45 0.4 0.0 0.3 99.3 0.0 1 5140 124 9 6 7 3.17
14:39:55 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 235 84 6 6 6 2.97
14:40:05 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.7 0.0 1 235 84 6 6 6 3.28
14:40:15 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 253 92 7 6 6 3.00
14:40:25 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.6 0.0 1 231 80 6 6 6 2.98
14:40:35 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 225 77 6 6 6 3.09
14:40:45 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 248 95 6 6 8 3.41
14:40:55 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 231 83 6 6 6 3.12
14:41:05 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 227 78 6 6 6 2.83
14:41:15 0.4 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 247 92 6 6 6 3.23
14:41:25 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.6 0.0 1 254 117 6 6 6 3.45
14:41:35 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1 279 89 7 6 6 3.04
14:41:45 0.5 0.0 0.2 99.4 0.0 1 255 100 7 6 7 3.52
14:41:55 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 230 81 6 6 6 3.15
14:42:05 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 228 79 6 6 6 2.96
14:42:15 0.3 0.0 0.2 99.5 0.0 1 246 92 6 6 7 3.39
14:42:25 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 232 82 6 6 6 2.90
14:42:35 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 232 80 6 6 6 3.10
14:42:45 0.5 0.0 0.2 99.3 0.1 1 439 184 10 8 8 3.49
14:42:55 0.2 0.0 0.2 99.6 0.0 1 239 87 7 6 6 3.15
14:43:05 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.6 0.0 1 233 84 7 6 7 3.03
14:43:15 0.4 0.0 0.3 99.4 0.0 1 5143 120 6 6 7 3.50
-------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ---- ---- ---- ------
Average 0.3 0.0 0.1 99.5 0.0 1.0 454.8 94.7 6.5 6.1 6.5 3.25
StdDev 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.1 0.0 0.1 977.9 20.4 0.9 0.3 0.8 0.30
-------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ---- ---- ---- ------
Minimum 0.2 0.0 0.1 99.2 0.0 1.0 220.8 75.6 6.0 6.0 6.0 2.83
Maximum 0.6 0.0 0.3 99.7 0.1 2.0 5142.8 184.4 10.0 8.0 9.0 4.85
-------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ---- ---- ---- ------
Summary:
System: 3.25 Watts on average with standard deviation 0.30nvme get-feature -f 0x0c -H /dev/nvme0:
get-feature:0xc (Autonomous Power State Transition), Current value:0x000001
Autonomous Power State Transition Enable (APSTE): Enabled
Auto PST Entries .................
Entry[ 0]
.................
Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 1]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 2]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 3]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 4]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 5]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 6]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 7]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 8]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[ 9]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[10]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[11]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[12]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[13]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[14]
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Idle Time Prior to Transition (ITPT): 0 ms
Idle Transition Power State (ITPS): 0
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Entry[15]
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.................I noticed a strange thing in the nvme-cli output: For the standard Arch Kernel it says that APST is disabled, but the first few entries in the PST Listing show values. With linux-nvme it says Enabled for APST, but the PST Listing Entries are all 0. I suspect that this has something to do with not getting any improvements for the power consumption readings.
So if anyone has an idea what might be wrong here or what I could try to further debug this issue, please let me know. Otherwise I'll wait for 4.11 (which includes the APST stuff as far as I read), and see if it changes anything.
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My System: Dell XPS 13 | i7-7560U | 16GB RAM | 512GB SSD | FHD Screen | Arch Linux
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#113 2017-04-14 22:38:09
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
Great luck installing Arch the first time on my new 9360 (usually takes me a few times 
. Thrilled with how well the touchpad works. It will be perfect if I can get the 3 finger drag working. It is possible, right?
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#114 2017-04-15 11:05:17
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
Great luck installing Arch the first time on my new 9360 (usually takes me a few times
I'm not sure what you mean by 3 finger drag, but you can have a look at libinput-gestures in the AUR.
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#115 2017-04-16 16:16:04
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
On my old laptop, I could enable something in the Accessibility menu and enable 3 fingers to drag windows. Haven't quite figured it out, but I'll look at libinput-gestures. Thanks.
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#116 2017-04-16 22:35:50
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
Did anyone succesfully upgrade BIOS to 1.3.2 that was released last month? My boot kept freezing and I tried a bunch of things including chrooting + mkinitcpio'ing, fsck'ing the drives with no luck. The issue seemed to be with loading kernel modules. I tried commenting out most things from my kernel params but that didn't help either. I reverted back to 1.2.3.
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#117 2017-04-17 06:16:23
- seiichiro0185
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
Did anyone succesfully upgrade BIOS to 1.3.2 that was released last month? My boot kept freezing and I tried a bunch of things including chrooting + mkinitcpio'ing, fsck'ing the drives with no luck. The issue seemed to be with loading kernel modules. I tried commenting out most things from my kernel params but that didn't help either. I reverted back to 1.2.3.
My XPS 13 was delivered with BIOS 1.3.2, and boots just fine (UEFI-Mode, systemd-boot as bootloader). Do you get any error messages when it freezes?
My System: Dell XPS 13 | i7-7560U | 16GB RAM | 512GB SSD | FHD Screen | Arch Linux
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#118 2017-04-18 00:57:41
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
Did anyone succesfully upgrade BIOS to 1.3.2 that was released last month? My boot kept freezing and I tried a bunch of things including chrooting + mkinitcpio'ing, fsck'ing the drives with no luck. The issue seemed to be with loading kernel modules. I tried commenting out most things from my kernel params but that didn't help either. I reverted back to 1.2.3.
I was also able to upgrade to 1.3.2 without any issues. Since the 9360 does not have a constant hardware set, what hard-drive and network card do you have? My system has the Atheros Killer WIFI card and the 512GB Toshiba THNSN5512GPUK NVME SSD.
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#119 2017-04-23 13:33:14
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There were no error messages during the boot it would just freeze.
@blahhumbug I also have Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 + THNSN5256GPUK. There were some messages in the log but I couldn't pinpoint the issue.
Here's my system log(pass is arch): https://defuse.ca/b/9WcxDm1E if anyone would like to take a look.
I also tried to use fwupdmgr but looks like it doesn't work with this model yet.
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#120 2017-04-23 13:52:16
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There were no error messages during the boot it would just freeze.
@blahhumbug I also have Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 + THNSN5256GPUK. There were some messages in the log but I couldn't pinpoint the issue.
Here's my system log(pass is arch): https://defuse.ca/b/9WcxDm1E if anyone would like to take a look.
I also tried to use fwupdmgr but looks like it doesn't work with this model yet.
If you haven't already, I would try booting with a lot of your kernel options removed. Probably everything except modeset. I use some, but not all of those options, specifically the acpi, power_well, and enable_psr=1. Although I do use enable_psr=2.
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#121 2017-04-23 16:52:07
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Actually did try removing i915 + acpi and a few other combinations but no luck.
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#122 2017-05-07 05:09:13
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
I just purchased a XPS 13 9360, and am delighted with it, especially at how easy it was to install Arch - I was really surprised at how well everything worked, right out of the box. And the battery life...I've never owned a laptop that I could reliably get 6+ hours of battery life out of, so on that front, I'm doing backflips.
One relatively small, but annoying issue. When I use a terminal, the fonts are...I'm not quite sure how to describe it. It's like the kerning is off, or something. Some letters are too far away from others, some are too close, some are even overlapping very slightly. It's fine everywhere except in the terminal - browsers and other applications are fine, and when I'm at a tty, before issuing startx, it's absolutely fine there as well.
I don't have any reason to suggest that this is an XPS issue, so I'm probably in the wrong subforum, but I've had this same setup on other laptops without issue, most recently a macbook pro. I'm using i3 with gnome-terminal.
I've looked at the font configuration docs in the wiki, but some experimentation did virtually nothing to change what I'm seeing. I tried rxvt-unicode, as well as the patched version of rxvt that's supposed to deal with the font issues, and with them the fonts were spaced out very wide.
So, I'm perfectly happy digging in and doing my own research, but I'm really not sure where to start, at this point. If anyone could offer any suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated.
Here's what I have in my .Xresources - pretty much just the basics from the docs:
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Xft.antialias: true
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#123 2017-05-09 20:34:54
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
Are you all booting in UEFI mode or legacy? I went to legacy, not sure what the additional value is of an insecure UEFI boot? This is my first UEFI machine...
I just got a 9360 qhd and don't hear any coil noise but when I install the WD-15 dock and connect it to my external monitor there is a lot of noise coming in over HDMI?! I really need to turn the volume down on that. When I have it plugged into my other laptop (I didn't plug directly into the XPS13 yet, I just got it last night) it's crystal clear which seems odd, as if it an issue with the dock.
Sorry to dredge up an old post, but this is the only time I saw the dock mentioned. I'm curious as to whether anybody else is using the WD-15, and especially whether it's working out OK for them. I have that dock, and while it works fine initially, after undocking and re-docking a few times the machine either becomes unresponsive or outright kernel panics.
This machine has been amazing for me otherwise - no instability, the battery life is superb without even tweaking the module options as per the wiki.
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#124 2017-05-09 21:00:50
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
pwkpete wrote:Are you all booting in UEFI mode or legacy? I went to legacy, not sure what the additional value is of an insecure UEFI boot? This is my first UEFI machine...
I just got a 9360 qhd and don't hear any coil noise but when I install the WD-15 dock and connect it to my external monitor there is a lot of noise coming in over HDMI?! I really need to turn the volume down on that. When I have it plugged into my other laptop (I didn't plug directly into the XPS13 yet, I just got it last night) it's crystal clear which seems odd, as if it an issue with the dock.
Sorry to dredge up an old post, but this is the only time I saw the dock mentioned. I'm curious as to whether anybody else is using the WD-15, and especially whether it's working out OK for them. I have that dock, and while it works fine initially, after undocking and re-docking a few times the machine either becomes unresponsive or outright kernel panics.
This machine has been amazing for me otherwise - no instability, the battery life is superb without even tweaking the module options as per the wiki.
Is this what you get? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100727
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#125 2017-05-11 14:46:42
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Re: Dell XPS 13 Late 2016 9360 Kaby Lake 7th Gen
Is this what you get? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100727
Your description of the failure sounds identical! I don't see those precise error messages in my logs, but I'm not positive I'm actually getting everything. One consistent element I do see in the logs is the following:
kernel: [drm:drm_atomic_helper_commit_cleanup_done [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CRTC:31:pipe A] flip_done timed outThere's another thread where a similar error message is discussed, but I'm not sure it's the same underlying problem - I tried their suggested fix of the SVIDEO kernel parameter and it didn't help.
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