[solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

whoops · 2019-05-14 13:55:34

Haven't changed anything except updates. System started freezing seemingly randomly once or twice daily a few days ago, maybe a week. Looks like the Ryzen Freezes - I had those, but they stopped happening when I turned off the C-states Option in Bios years ago.

Double-checked Bios settings, installed Ryzen-Stabilisator from AUR to double-check that the settings are like they are supposed to be. Checked Temperatures. Everything looks OK, nothing in logs. Waited for 1 more kernel update, still freezes. Disconnected all USB3 devices because the last time it froze shortly after I plugged one in and now I'm paranoid about that, too. Haven't gotten much further yet, because I have to wait 1 or 2 days between attempts until it happens again.

I'm currently suspicious of everything. Could be a recent regression / software update (kernel? regression? ryzen workaround deprecated? ath9k? nvidia? mesa? KDE / compositing?). If no one else noticed anything similar, it's probably a hard to find hardware breakage and I have to start replacing parts, starting with the CPU and MB?

Any hints that might save me from ending up intermittently waiting for my PC to freeze and senselessly messing with every part of software and hardware over the course of months (again -.-")?

Thanks!

Last edited by whoops (2019-06-10 10:05:32)

r0b0t · 2019-05-14 14:17:53

It should be something in the logs, coredump ? What logs did you check?
Can you trace back what packages where installed before this issue begin happening? Maybe we can find a hint there.
Also, if it's an hardware issue and starts happening more often, you could try to remove piece by piece the hardware until you leave the bear minimum. I.E you remove external drives, dedicated GPU (I don't know if actually your CPU has an integrated GPU) , remove the RAM and leave only one plugged & so on.
Try as well to recall if there's a "trigger" that causes the problem in order to get a "how to reproduce", that way we could get more information.

whoops · 2019-05-14 15:34:33

r0b0t wrote:

It should be something in the logs, coredump ? What logs did you check?

I checked the journal and all files with a timestamp 5 minutes around the time of the last message in the systemd journal before reboot, nothing caught my eye. System appears to freeze completely and instantly. It is possible that I have disabled coredumps somewhere, so I'll have a look at that and another look around the next time it happened. But I don't have much hopes that I'll find anything - all harddisk activity appears to stop instantly judging from the fsck I get after each reboot (no matter how long I wait / try to sysrq). If I should check the ext4 journal somehow for last activities before reboot, I don't know how.

Can you trace back what packages where installed before this issue begin happening? Maybe we can find a hint there.

Assuming that "--reboot--" without "stopped journal" indicates exactly any time my system froze... Since this happens so irregularly there's a good chance I didn't catch it immediately and ignored the first 1-3 times . According to my logs, the earliest occurrence MIGHT have been Mai 04 (might be a fluke / might have updated kernel modules without rebooting on that day). Got the worst of it starting Mai 9/10

Feb 25 13:32:59 arch systemd-journald[433]: Journal stopped
-- Reboot --
Mär 02 16:43:11 arch systemd-journald[424]: Journal stopped
-- Reboot --
Mär 20 03:13:05 arch systemd-journald[427]: Journal stopped
-- Reboot --
Apr 03 14:45:40 arch systemd-journald[432]: Journal stopped
-- Reboot --
Apr 25 15:12:33 arch systemd-journald[424]: Journal stopped
-- Reboot --
Mai 04 20:27:36 arch systemd-journald[430]: Journal stopped
-- Reboot --
-- Reboot --
Mai 09 21:43:04 arch systemd-journald[438]: Journal stopped
-- Reboot --
-- Reboot --
Mai 10 03:15:00 arch systemd-journald[439]: Journal stopped
-- Reboot --
-- Reboot --
-- Reboot --
-- Reboot --
Mai 14 15:14:14 arch systemd-journald[430]: Journal stopped
-- Reboot --

I upgraded just about everything on MAY 04 and a fair amount of the usual suspects (kernel, nvidia, plasma, etc) again on MAY10.

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try to remove piece by piece the hardware until you leave the bear minimum.

It's always been sort of minimal except for the RAM which I tested with software extensively. No integrated graphics card. I kind of need the keyboard and wifi adapter to stay attached... I'll shuffle through the RAM over the course of the next 3 freezes, don't think that will make a difference though / doesn't feel like broken RAM.

Try as well to recall if there's a "trigger" that causes the problem in order to get a "how to reproduce", that way we could get more information.

I have already finished trying to recall triggers and started getting paranoid about triggers 2 freezes ago. Will probably start rearranging furniture soon and possibly invent a new religion based on my observations.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2019-05-14 15:37:20

Try the LTS kernel.

whoops · 2019-05-14 15:49:14

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Try the LTS kernel.

Thanks, I keep forgetting that the LTS kernel exists. Going to switch right away before I forget again.

stekte · 2019-05-15 07:08:39

Do you have enough power for your system?
Also check if your power supply unit is stable and/or the power flow from the power network is stable.
Also check if you have ground issues on your socket.

Buddlespit · 2019-05-15 20:31:06

Do you have amd-ucode installed?

whoops · 2019-05-15 22:01:01

Buddlespit wrote:

Do you have amd-ucode installed?

For some reason I have always had intel-ucode installed and not amd-ucode (with no visible problems). I have made a habit of removing the intel-ucode package once per year with the intent to install the amd-ucode package afterwards. Then I can't boot any more because I forgot to [do stuff], so I have to chroot + fix it from a boot cd and afterwards I forget all about what I did and what happened as a result until the next time.

Should I prioritize installing amd-ucode? At the moment I'm still waiting for the next freeze after switching to LTS kernel (hasn't happened since - so far).

After the next freeze, was planning to:
- Add some possibly Ryzen-Fix-related kernel options to my GRUB kernel line
- wait for freeze again
- Try a lower frequency for RAM
- wait for freeze again
- BIOS update possibly
- wait for freeze again

No idea if that makes sense or if there's something better.

Last edited by whoops (2019-05-15 22:03:47)

thorstenhirsch · 2019-05-15 22:04:46

Have you changed the following BIOS settings in order to "fix" the ryzen bugs?

- DRAM Power Down Enabled -> Disabled
- Power Supply Idle Control -> Typical...

whoops · 2019-05-15 22:40:57

I don't remember my BIOS having those 2 options - it lacked most of the option people suggested back then. The only thing that I had to change in BIOS was the c-state Option. That was enough and it has worked like that for years. A couple of times after a BIOS update I tested it again (freezing bug started to occur again after update, but disappeared after I disabled the BIOS option again).

I also installed Ryzen-Stabilizer many months ago - only using it to log & stuff. At the Moment It says....:

shit / DAMMIT!

C6 C-state is ENABLED.

Why? I'm pretty sure it was disabled after every boot (I have a script somewhere that writes that info to a log file after every boot) and every time I checked manually, but now it's turned on. Who or what would just randomly turn on C-States? Or am I looking at the wrong thing? -.-

Weird / Have to double-check everything, maybe I'm confusing something. Guess now I should... wait for a freeze with LTS, then switch back to linux-zen, then I can make sure nothing is changing my c-state stuff after boot or try to find out what is and whether adding the GRUB options I wanted to add anyways stops that...?

whoops · 2019-05-30 09:02:44

Have spent a lot of time waiting for freezes and switching from linux-zen to LTS and back. I'm reasonably sure at this point that the problem does not occur with lts and started occurring with the other kernel when I upgraded one of those, probably the latter one:

[2019-05-04 20:22] [ALPM] upgraded linux-zen (5.0.9.zen1-1 -> 5.0.11.zen1-1)
[2019-05-04 20:22] [ALPM] upgraded linux-zen-docs (5.0.9.zen1-1 -> 5.0.11.zen1-1)
[2019-05-04 20:22] [ALPM] upgraded linux-zen-headers (5.0.9.zen1-1 -> 5.0.11.zen1-1)
[2019-05-10 02:56] [ALPM] upgraded linux-zen (5.0.11.zen1-1 -> 5.0.13.zen1-1)
[2019-05-10 02:56] [ALPM] upgraded linux-zen-docs (5.0.11.zen1-1 -> 5.0.13.zen1-1)
[2019-05-10 02:56] [ALPM] upgraded linux-zen-headers (5.0.11.zen1-1 -> 5.0.13.zen1-1)

Have not tested the vanilla kernel yet and I'm not sure if I should, since it takes a lot of time and... does that even make sense at this point?

I read the changelogs of somthing maybe and UNDERSTOOD NOTHING / maybe this look suspicious?
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/ke … 14c4075b10
I do not know what it means, I only saw the word "C-State", probably coincidence because at this point I'm just reading random stuff I don't understand

Stuck now / no idea what I'm doing or what I should do next.

whoops · 2019-06-10 10:05:14

Made the following changes in one go:
- Switched to linux-zen 5.1.7.zen1-1
- Added processor.max_cstate=5 to grub kernel line
- installed zenstates ( to be run on boot AND resume from hibernation )

One of those appears to have "solved" the problem. My best guess is, that there was an addition to the kernel that allows it to handle c-states even if switching is turned off in BIOS and that's why I need to turn C6 state off - reliably - via software now where the BIOS option was sufficient before (on boot AND after hibernation). Not sure how good that guess is, but I'm too tired of Ryzen issues to question the hypothesis further. So I shall mark this as [solved] and I shall return to this thread on the day that my CPU explodes for like no reason or whatever happens next.

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#1 2019-05-14 13:55:34

[solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

#2 2019-05-14 14:17:53

Re: [solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

#3 2019-05-14 15:34:33

Re: [solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

#4 2019-05-14 15:37:20

Re: [solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

#5 2019-05-14 15:49:14

Re: [solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

#6 2019-05-15 07:08:39

Re: [solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

#7 2019-05-15 20:31:06

Re: [solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

#8 2019-05-15 22:01:01

Re: [solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

#9 2019-05-15 22:04:46

Re: [solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

#10 2019-05-15 22:40:57

Re: [solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

#11 2019-05-30 09:02:44

Re: [solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

#12 2019-06-10 10:05:14

Re: [solved] Anything NEW freezing? (like ryzen bug, nothing in logs)

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