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#1 2019-01-20 02:55:36

barius
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Latest??? news

Is there a rule that says the only noteworthy news on the Home page of the distribution is a breaking update or a manual intervention required?

It is fantastic that there has not been a manual intervention required or a noteworthy breaking upgrade in 190 days.  Arch makes it so painless to live on the bleeding edge!  And this is thanks to a dedicated team of volunteers - I know from the number of updates I download daily that a lot of hard work goes into maintaining this high-quality distro, for which many thanks!

But, landing on the home page, one could be forgiven for thinking the distro is all but dead.  Great that it is not swamped with everything that rightly belongs on the announcements forum.  But a "keep alive" news item every few months would be nice.  Surely it would cost minimal effort to post from time to time 2-3 lines about interesting evolutions in the arch world, maybe with a link to a forum post?

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#2 2019-01-20 03:27:43

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Re: Latest??? news

That's really what the mailing lists are for.


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#3 2019-01-20 03:38:25

eschwartz
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Re: Latest??? news

Well, boring could be good. smile

If you look through past history, you'll see that historically we have posted interesting things in the evolution of Arch, or things like Bug Day, FOSDEM and things. Back when new ISO releases were a noteworthy thing, we posted about that too apparently...

I guess it depends on whether anyone has time to talk about things in addition to simply doing them! Apparently that has not happened so much in the last, uh, 9 years???

This may be partially down to the an organic evolution in what people think the news feed is for, though.

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#4 2019-01-20 04:02:11

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Re: Latest??? news

barius wrote:

landing on the home page, one could be forgiven for thinking the distro is all but dead.

True.  But this doesn't mean much unless you have some other implied premise such that we should endeavor to popularize arch.  Few here have any interest in such popularization.

If the home page makes Arch appear "dead" to those looking for the latest fad, I'd consider that a good thing.


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#5 2019-01-20 10:32:06

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The frontpage also lists the "Recent Updates", so I believe it adequately shows that the project is not dead yet smile

I'd say the only gripe I've got with the news feed/arch-announce so far is that it didn't announce the pacman-contrib split.
Then again, I think that's just the symptom of pacman not setting any optdepend nor printing a post-install message, so people had no sensible way to know why `checkupdates` had disappeared from their system (unless they frequent the forum/IRC/MLs).

Otherwise, I think the news feed as-is is perfectly in line with Arch's "keep it simple" approach, and I wouldn't want it to be filled with some blog-like trivia that is irrelevant to Arch Linux system maintenance.

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#6 2019-01-20 12:28:03

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I would say Trilby's post (#4) has it just right.  The dates of "Recent Updates" are only one click away, and any potential Arch user should be willing to go well beyond one click.  I prefer our community as is, no need to "grow the brand".

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#7 2019-01-20 13:14:39

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Far from dead when you get package updates sometimes even multiple times a day. tongue


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#8 2019-01-20 13:15:06

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Re: Latest??? news

ayekat wrote:

Otherwise, I think the news feed as-is is perfectly in line with Arch's "keep it simple" approach, and I wouldn't want it to be filled with some blog-like trivia that is irrelevant to Arch Linux system maintenance.

For that there is https://planet.archlinux.org/. A box below "recent updates" that lists the titles of the most recent blog posts might not be the worst idea, but in my opinion it is not really required.

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#9 2019-01-20 15:48:51

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Nope, its dead.   Heading back to Gentoo...
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#10 2019-01-22 18:45:32

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Well #9 is simply a lie and #7 was already mentioned in my original post.  But for the rest, fairly good motivation for not changing anything and most everything leads back to #4 anyway.  I withdraw my suggestion.

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#11 2019-01-22 18:57:07

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Re: Latest??? news

Do not mark your own thread as closed; please remove that. That is something for moderators and administrators. If you wish a thread to be closed, request it via the report button.

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#12 2019-07-13 08:33:30

barius
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Sorry @HalosGhost, I'm not sure how I did that but I can't figure out how to undo it (remove the closed).

I thought I was doing the right thing.  I withdrew the question because clearly the counter-arguments were overwhelming and it seemed pointless to discuss further...

I don't understand but I hereby give the moderators full licence to do whatever the feel best with this topic.  Unclose it, archive it, freeze it, burn it, ...

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#13 2019-07-13 10:06:21

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Re: Latest??? news

You change the title by editing your first post.

Also, even if your suggestion was discarded, other people may still have the same underlying question (Why is the news section the way it is?), and this thread may thus still serve a purpose, so I'd at least refrain from burning it. smile


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#14 2019-07-13 13:32:02

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Indeed, while this revived thread may have received my direct 'no' answer early on, that doesn't mean it wasn't worth asking.  It was a perfectly reasonable, and useful, question.


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