Arch Packages for Gnome 2.16 (was gnome 2.16 soon out!)

jinn · 2006-09-01 22:39:57

Gnome 2.16 is released 6 september! when does it come to arch? cant wait to be able to use gnome-power-manager.. used it before but now only old pkgbuilds exists.. tried to install newer version but failed...

btw i noticed something strange, I got 2800 in glxgears with XGL but with normal xorg i get 2200..

On my nvidia quadro nvs110m vga-card.

iBertus · 2006-09-01 23:34:39

I noticed the same thing when using an XGL demo live cd. glxgears performance was slightly higher than my normal FPS. I can't really explain why.

hussam · 2006-09-04 01:37:09

Same here, can't wait for gnome 2.16 :-]

kensai · 2006-09-04 02:10:46

Arch Linux is always fast at getting new GNOME/KDE releases. They are the best IMHO. I'll just stick with OpenBox 3.3 until GNOME 2.16 is out, it's going to rovk a lot.

JGC · 2006-09-04 12:59:44

I don't think 2.16 will get into arch within the next 4 weeks. Arjan and I are extremely busy and I'm on a 3-week holiday trip starting from next week.

hussam · 2006-09-04 13:42:21

Maybe one of the other Archlinux developers can update it?
In any case, all gnome 2.16 modules should be out by this Wednesday.

dtw · 2006-09-04 14:44:29

hussam wrote:

Maybe one of the other Archlinux developers can update it?

I think they have other responsibilities and concerns, mate. That's why it's called a team

Gullible Jones · 2006-09-04 15:33:56

They're basically an i686-optimized Slackware clone with package management and an initrd. They even use the damned SystemV initscripts.

JGC · 2006-09-04 16:48:28

hussam wrote:

Maybe one of the other Archlinux developers can update it?
In any case, all gnome 2.16 modules should be out by this Wednesday.

The point is that a whole dbus migration to 0.9x/1.0 needs to be done, the current version of dbus has too many issues to get gnome working correctly (a simple pacman -S kde-common crashes all running dbus session bus daemons, which means your gnome-settings-daemon and all applets on your panel will crash with it, no way to start it again until you logout and login again, waiting for the next dbus config change...)

Dbus 0.9x/1.0 is way too tricky to just update. They split up the bindings and removed support for QT, so we have to patch up kdebase with patches from fedora and for the rest we have to track the big bunch of hidden packages that have dependencies on dbus.

test1000 · 2006-09-05 19:06:44

Why did they remove support for QT? o_O

find /var/lib/pacman/|grep depends|xargs grep dbus|wc -1 gives me about 32 packages which depends on dbus. Can't we just setup a wiki and give people a 'diff' command to query the wiki and see what packagenames they would have to add to that wiki?

edit: or just do that search within abs

But if it's so hard and unmanagable, when do you think we should update then? a month? a year?

kensai · 2006-09-05 19:28:53

Gnome 2.16 is out for 2 days or more now I just read the Release notes of the final yesterday it is as simple as manipulating the URL to see all this, I do this all the time I got Arch 0.7.2 like 2 days before announcement.

pressh · 2006-09-05 20:01:15

kensai wrote:

Gnome 2.16 is out for 2 days or more now I just read the Release notes of the final yesterday it is as simple as manipulating the URL to see all this, I do this all the time I got Arch 0.7.2 like 2 days before announcement.

not true. gnome 2.16 will be released as of tomorrow. It is true that some sources were released already yesterday, but not all. Look at the gnome ftp-release mailing list.

Assuming that this is also you?

kensai @ distrowatch wrote:

And look at pacman it is a freaking old version of pacman Frugalware has taken pacman to the next level at version 3 with much more improvements.

which I consider trolling. Pacman 3 is not finished yet, it is in alpha or at best at beta stage atm. Latest stable pacman is in Arch.

baze · 2006-09-05 21:14:54

JGC wrote:

hussam wrote:
Maybe one of the other Archlinux developers can update it?
In any case, all gnome 2.16 modules should be out by this Wednesday.
The point is that a whole dbus migration to 0.9x/1.0 needs to be done, the current version of dbus has too many issues to get gnome working correctly (a simple pacman -S kde-common crashes all running dbus session bus daemons, which means your gnome-settings-daemon and all applets on your panel will crash with it, no way to start it again until you logout and login again, waiting for the next dbus config change...)
Dbus 0.9x/1.0 is way too tricky to just update. They split up the bindings and removed support for QT, so we have to patch up kdebase with patches from fedora and for the rest we have to track the big bunch of hidden packages that have dependencies on dbus.

thanks for clearing this up! i wondered why installing gnome-common always killed my running dbus related programs which was a little annoying when installing stuff that needs gnome in terminal since that one was quit during the install process too

JGC · 2006-09-06 07:17:44

test1000 wrote:

Why did they remove support for QT? o_O
find /var/lib/pacman/|grep depends|xargs grep dbus|wc -1 gives me about 32 packages which depends on dbus. Can't we just setup a wiki and give people a 'diff' command to query the wiki and see what packagenames they would have to add to that wiki?
edit: or just do that search within abs
But if it's so hard and unmanagable, when do you think we should update then? a month? a year?

QT3 is deprecated and QT4 comes with integrated dbus support, so there's no need for QT bindings anymore.

Cagnulein · 2006-09-07 10:53:22

Released!

intsarts · 2006-09-07 12:10:52

when the packages are coming, at the moment gnome is officially relased out

Jacek Poplawski · 2006-09-07 17:14:36

Isn't it that distro that had Xorg 7.1 in repo before new ATI and NVidia drivers with 3D acceleration support for 7.1 were released? Wink No, thanks! I don't need superspeed that costs such breaks.

Xorg contains driver for ATI cards, I use it on Radeon 9800 Pro and don't need any evil binary drivers.

Blaasvis · 2006-09-07 17:53:09

do not expect gnome packages soon, JGC is/will be soon on vacation. I am working 50+ hours a week atm. so i have spare time i like to relax for a bit. the other devs never rolled a gnome release at all.

dadexter · 2006-09-07 18:38:50

Blaasvis wrote:

do not expect gnome packages soon, JGC is/will be soon on vacation. I am working 50+ hours a week atm. so i have spare time i like to relax for a bit. the other devs never rolled a gnome release at all.

Ouch, and I was thinking about coming back to Arch... you're making me rethink my plans

Here's the offer: get gnome 2.16 up and running by 5PM EST Sept 8th, and I'm coming back to Arch...

dadexter · 2006-09-07 18:39:26

dadexter wrote:

Blaasvis wrote:
do not expect gnome packages soon, JGC is/will be soon on vacation. I am working 50+ hours a week atm. so i have spare time i like to relax for a bit. the other devs never rolled a gnome release at all.
Ouch, and I was thinking about coming back to Arch... you're making me rethink my plans
Here's the offer: get gnome 2.16 up and running by 5PM EST Sept 8th, and I'm coming back to Arch...

Wow... I joined this forum exactly 2 years ago

phrakture · 2006-09-07 20:41:03

I split a series of trolling posts in an Announcement... not sure who decided that was a good idea... /shrug

Go ahead and continue bantering here: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=24917

intsarts · 2006-09-10 18:05:03

When new gnome packages are out? I just cant wait...

baze · 2006-09-10 18:10:40

intsarts wrote:

When new gnome packages are out? I just cant wait...

JGC wrote:

I don't think 2.16 will get into arch within the next 4 weeks. Arjan and I are extremely busy and I'm on a 3-week holiday trip starting from next week.

rab · 2006-09-12 00:11:53

Whats actually changed on this? I cant find a change log on the site...

Also, did they add that fat, useless new menu? Or is that GNOME 3.0?

depaloan · 2006-09-12 06:31:39

That is SLED and it's not included in the original GNOME

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