Arch system performance time

SPYAM · 2020-11-14 13:00:57

Hello
How many months can I use Arch Linux?
That is, how many months does Arch Linux perform better?
Do I have to reinstall Arch Linux?
Or is it not like that?
Will it always have better performance and speed and no need to reinstall Arch Linux?
Because in Windows, I changed Windows almost once every 2 months!
I want to know how long is Linux Arch running and how long does it last?

Lone_Wolf · 2020-11-14 13:11:55

The installation i'm posting from is 2 years old, but I do have another system that's been running 6+ years without re-installing .

There are people who have run the same install 10+ years and transfer it everytime they get new hardware.

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SPYAM · 2020-11-14 13:14:19

Lone_Wolf wrote:

The installation i'm posting from is 2 years old, but I do have another system that's been running 6+ years without re-installing .
There are people who have run the same install 10+ years and transfer it everytime they get new hardware.

Really ????
How good it is so I do not need to install it soon

Trilby · 2020-11-14 13:39:35

NEVER reinstall arch linux. Just update regularly.

SPYAM · 2020-11-14 13:58:35

Trilby wrote:

NEVER reinstall arch linux. Just update regularly.

I mean, is the operating system so stable ???
Wow, I can't believe how good this Linux is, especially the Arch distribution

archimboldo · 2020-11-14 14:04:58

Just update it regularly. Like Trilby mentioned. This way you will find the culprit for your issues ( if they occur) very quickly. You're in charge and responsible for the "stability"... And you will learn a lot.

Trilby · 2020-11-14 14:06:18

Do not ask why linux can run indefinitely without a reinstall. Ask why windows cant. There is no reason a properly made operating system should have such problems.

SPYAM · 2020-11-14 14:13:27

Thank you so much and all the friends who help
I like to progress every day

The opinions I saw about Linux as well as the distribution of Arch that I was told were really not true and it was all a lie!
1- They said it is difficult, you can not install and configure ...
2- You can't arch the work you want to do ...
3- And they said many things ...

But when I successfully installed the installation after a few times with the help and help of tutorials on the Internet and brought up Linux Arch on my laptop, I realized that those who said it was not difficult and ... their motivation from the system was really a few clicks. There are a bunch of lazy people in Windows who have no motivation to try.

Of course, thanks to the strong team and community that Linux has, and especially Arch, I am confident that I can make good progress in the field of Linux.

SPYAM · 2020-11-14 14:14:49

Trilby wrote:

Do not ask why linux can run indefinitely without a reinstall. Ask why windows cant. There is no reason a properly made operating system should have such problems.

Wow what a question !!
Really, why should Windows be like this !!?

Trilby · 2020-11-14 14:25:50

SPYAM wrote:

Really, why should Windows be like this !!?

There are people who can keep a windows system running well for long periods of time. But the average user may not be able to. I believe this is because windows allows too many below average users. Arch linux expects more from users. And to be honest, if someone put as little into maintaining an arch system as some windows users do into maintaining their system, arch would fail to.

I do think there are parts of the OS that make linux much more stable than windows - but I also think the main difference is that linux (especially arch linux) requires more from the user. Windows allows users to remain ignorant which results in problems.

SPYAM · 2020-11-14 14:44:35

Trilby wrote:

SPYAM wrote:
Really, why should Windows be like this !!?
There are people who can keep a windows system running well for long periods of time. But the average user may not be able to. I believe this is because windows allows too many below average users. Arch linux expects more from users. And to be honest, if someone put as little into maintaining an arch system as some windows users do into maintaining their system, arch would fail to.
I do think there are parts of the OS that make linux much more stable than windows - but I also think the main difference is that linux (especially arch linux) requires more from the user. Windows allows users to remain ignorant which results in problems.

Your words are very interesting to me
Anyway, thank you

GaKu999 · 2020-11-14 15:50:30

Trilby wrote:

SPYAM wrote:
Really, why should Windows be like this !!?
I do think there are parts of the OS that make linux much more stable than windows - but I also think the main difference is that linux (especially arch linux) requires more from the user. Windows allows users to remain ignorant which results in problems.

As a former user, and since I bothered learning about that one, time I will not recover...

In simple terms, Windows leaves a lot of garbage all around, all of them only accessible from different GUIs, one for each kind of garbage, be it registry, or other.
For people that like to mesup with software (like many installs I used to do for testing FOSS tools with less bloat), or in the case of certain YouTubers that have to install a lot of games in a short time, the result is that so much clutter gets built up in "non-accessible" places (because they are behind GUIs that many users don't know how to use) that it tends to cause slowdowns, even random "blue screens" in the worst case scenarios...(not to talk about the nature of the driver updates, last time I looked into that I found 1/4 of them to be culprits)

Yet YMMV, time has passed since I last used it, idk how much they have changed or even fixed.

On another perspective, iirc, Linux is usually made to live for a looong time, and less bloatware tends to have a positive impact on overall system performance & stability.
One can even "squeeze" more performance with a tuned kernel, like linux-zen, linux-ck or a custom one, some even do sysvinit/custom to make for an even smaller system (experience required, I would likely break mine if I tried )

I guess that, with a tuned up box in a controlled stable environment, it's more likely that the hardware dies first, or some extraneous event happens that causes a power outage.
Some archers have servers with more than 6 months of uptime, and it's likely that if they don't get bored and reboot, it would be even more uptime.

Terminologies:
YMMV: Your Mileage May Vary, same as, Your experience may be different
IDK: I don't know
IIRC: If I Recall Correctly, same as, If I remember properly.

More info in the wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_terminology

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teckk · 2020-11-15 19:04:41

it's more likely that the hardware dies first

I just had a motherboard die on a 13 year old arch install this year. That was before systemd and the filesystem change. You don't have to reinstall arch. (Rolling release)

SPYAM · 2020-11-15 20:15:22

teckk wrote:

it's more likely that the hardware dies first
I just had a motherboard die on a 13 year old arch install this year. That was before systemd and the filesystem change. You don't have to reinstall arch. (Rolling release)

Linux is really becoming more and more attractive to me, especially the Arch distribution that I installed

normalaccount · 2020-11-17 00:25:56

If you have to reinstall Windows every 2 months, you're doing something very wrong. I have 4 PCs running Windows at home and I've never had to reinstall Windows in the last 10 years. Even the tech-illiterate persons I know could say the same

Lone_Wolf · 2020-11-17 20:12:37

On the other hand I know a few people with masters degrees in engineering (from TU Eindhoven, TU Delft and KU Leuven) that managed to make a mess of windows in 5 weeks after getting brandnew desktops .

I was 3rd tier support for those systems and solved the issue : UAC was set to highest level and the master engineers lost all admin access.

On windows systems they were helpless toddlers, but their "unix server with networked X access"* they maintained was forbidden for IT and ran very stable.

Maybe Spyam is a bit like those engineers.

* I didn't know much about linux in those days, that's what the engineers used to describe its functionality to windows guys.

mpan · 2020-11-17 21:52:48

SPYAM:
This is the first line in my “pacman.log”:

[2011-11-22 19:15] Running 'pacman -Syu'

But I had history in Gajim dating back to earlier period and Gajim wasn’t even my first XMPP client on this installation. So I can safely claim that only this Arch instance is decade old. Survived longer than any other system I used.

During that time I had only a few serious issues. Those included update to GNOME3 (the desktop environment was practically useless compared to GNOME2), forgetting to use UUIDs in “/etc/fstab” (broke booting; the most severe outcome so far), xorg failure due to outdated dependency (my fault), the nVidia Zombie Apocalypse, a few cases of kernel/systemd downgrades and a weird variation of the recent Pam Apocalypse. From those only the first two were serious: GNOME3 required me to spend a day on finding another DE; the fstab situation perplexed me for a moment, but after I realized what’s going on the fix was trivial.

Always have the latest Arch ISO available, learn how to downgrade packages, -Syu often. As someone above has already said: get the habit of fixing the system instead of reinstalling it. Not only it’s needless effort and a waste of time you could spend on something nicer, but if you don’t understand how you broke something, you are likely to break it again. I suppose the longevity of our Archs comes from the fact that we have learned how stuff works, where to find good help or, at least, developed proper intuition on where to seek for the causes of breakage.

Your main PITA will be not the operating system breaking, but being the first to feel changes in software. Most programs have no LTS/frozen versions and Arch usually updates things with very little delay. The changes may be unpolished, you may not like them or they may literally break your workflow because of the choices the upstream decided to push onto users.

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ad4ms3 · 2020-11-18 12:53:07

Reinstalling windows every 2 months? I have only reinstalled windows 98 every week or so. I was so happy when it could handle my 2-months abuse. When windows XP came out I have never had any issues and can't remember reinstalling windows 7. I only reinstalled windows 10 thanks to bloatware my hp laptop came with.
In 2017 when I discovered Arch i struggled with the system to make things work, but I never really ask for help here. I managed to solve issues myself. Then I run rm - rf (until now I don't know why I did it) and voilà... I had to install everything from scratch. Since then I have never ever had to reinstall arch. It works as fast as on the first day... Or even faster since I migrated the entire system to the SSD. Another Arch install is on the new HP laptop and my kids started to curse me They demanded Win10 as they are using it at school ... On Arch, they have everything what is required for their school, including M$ Teams. And the MOST important thing... My kids' accounts are not in 'wheel' and 'sudo' group, which means, they are unable to run sudo or su. They tried and saw a message "permission denied". It means, they cannot mess up or destroy the system. Arch has never caused a major issue preventing me from doing my work. And if something failed, I new which file to edit so I was back on track within minutes (e.g, sddm would not load gnome properly so I chrooted to /mnt and edited sddm.conf). My daughter asked me then `daddy, how do you know what to do' when she saw a massive ls output. So Arch is our daily drive, however I am being tempted to try NixOS. After watching few yt videos it appears to be "idiotproof"...

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SPYAM · 2020-11-18 13:29:31

Lone_Wolf wrote:

On the other hand I know a few people with masters degrees in engineering (from TU Eindhoven, TU Delft and KU Leuven) that managed to make a mess of windows in 5 weeks after getting brandnew desktops .
I was 3rd tier support for those systems and solved the issue : UAC was set to highest level and the master engineers lost all admin access.
On windows systems they were helpless toddlers, but their "unix server with networked X access"* they maintained was forbidden for IT and ran very stable.
Maybe Spyam is a bit like those engineers.

* I didn't know much about linux in those days, that's what the engineers used to describe its functionality to windows guys.

How interesting! You really learn new things and words from you every day

SPYAM · 2020-11-18 13:31:16

mpan wrote:

SPYAM:
This is the first line in my “pacman.log”:
[2011-11-22 19:15] Running 'pacman -Syu'
But I had history in Gajim dating back to earlier period and Gajim wasn’t even my first XMPP client on this installation. So I can safely claim that only this Arch instance is decade old. Survived longer than any other system I used.
During that time I had only a few serious issues. Those included update to GNOME3 (the desktop environment was practically useless compared to GNOME2), forgetting to use UUIDs in “/etc/fstab” (broke booting; the most severe outcome so far), xorg failure due to outdated dependency (my fault), the nVidia Zombie Apocalypse, a few cases of kernel/systemd downgrades and a weird variation of the recent Pam Apocalypse. From those only the first two were serious: GNOME3 required me to spend a day on finding another DE; the fstab situation perplexed me for a moment, but after I realized what’s going on the fix was trivial.
Always have the latest Arch ISO available, learn how to downgrade packages, -Syu often. As someone above has already said: get the habit of fixing the system instead of reinstalling it. Not only it’s needless effort and a waste of time you could spend on something nicer, but if you don’t understand how you broke something, you are likely to break it again. I suppose the longevity of our Archs comes from the fact that we have learned how stuff works, where to find good help or, at least, developed proper intuition on where to seek for the causes of breakage.
Your main PITA will be not the operating system breaking, but being the first to feel changes in software. Most programs have no LTS/frozen versions and Arch usually updates things with very little delay. The changes may be unpolished, you may not like them or they may literally break your workflow because of the choices the upstream decided to push onto users.

Yes, I agree
I have to do something not to ruin it!
I ruined it, not thinking about changing the operating system and looking for a solution
And I always keep the Arch Linux system updated ...
I hope Arch Linux is a good and permanent system for me

SPYAM · 2020-11-18 13:36:22

ad4ms3 wrote:

Reinstalling windows every 2 months? I have only reinstalled windows 98 every week or so. I was so happy when it could handle my 2-months abuse. When windows XP came out I have never had any issues and can't remember reinstalling windows 7. I only reinstalled windows 10 thanks to bloatware my hp laptop came with.
In 2017 when I discovered Arch i struggled with the system to make things work, but I never really ask for help here. I managed to solve issues myself. Then I run rm - rf (until now I don't know why I did it) and voilà... I had to install everything from scratch. Since then I have never ever had to reinstall arch. It works as fast as on the first day... Or even faster since I migrated the entire system to the SSD. Another Arch install is on the new HP laptop and my kids started to curse me They demanded Win10 as they are using it at school ... On Arch, they have everything what is required for their school, including M$ Teams. And the MOST important thing... My kids' accounts are not in 'wheel' and 'sudo' group, which means, they are unable to run sudo or su. They tried and saw a message "permission denied". It means, they cannot mess up or destroy the system. Arch has never caused a major issue preventing me from doing my work. And if something failed, I new which file to edit so I was back on track within minutes (e.g, sddm would not load gnome properly so I chrooted to /mnt and edited sddm.conf). My daughter asked me then `daddy, how do you know what to do' when she saw a massive ls output. So Arch is our daily drive, however I am being tempted to try NixOS. After watching few yt videos it appears to be "idiotproof"...

Dear friend, I do not know English, otherwise I would have liked to solve everything myself, and I am very interested in doing this at all, so that I can do everything myself ...
What is interesting means that you had so much speed in your system, what is interesting
Yes, in terms of security, Arch or Linux as a whole is much more stable than the Windows operating system!
I really saw your words and I really use them
thank you

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