[SOLVED] Arch boot is too slow. Windows 10 boots faster.

vero2513 · 2021-02-14 07:26:29

finoderi wrote:

vero2513 wrote:
Should I make a fresh install of Archlinux with no swap partition or with no hibernation and see if it boots faster?
And it'll boot faster because of what?
Maybe it would be better to read the wiki for better understanding what's going on during the system boot and why magic and miracles are so rare these days.

I was only supposing..any way yes I'll read wiki again

seth · 2021-02-14 07:53:29

The swap partition is not the problem, but that the system takes so long (during the boot) to get there.
It's not clear what causes this, though and it apparently also wakes up out of hibernation fastaaathanwindows™ (windows does not really shutdown by default since windows 8)

Have you checked the active CPU frequency and disk performance? (inb4: "man dd")

vero2513 · 2021-02-14 08:02:53

seth wrote:

The swap partition is not the problem, but that the system takes so long (during the boot) to get there.
It's not clear what causes this, though and it apparently also wakes up out of hibernation fastaaathanwindows™ (windows does not really shutdown by default since windows 8)
Have you checked the active CPU frequency and disk performance? (inb4: "man dd")

I tried this yesterday (I followed the wiki):

stress --cpu 4
stress: info: [4313] dispatching hogs: 4 cpu, 0 io, 0 vm, 0 hdd

And it was stuck it never completed I left the laptop powered with that exectued command but it did not return nothing

seth · 2021-02-14 08:20:13

It's a stress test. All it does is bang your CPU - *hard* - while it's running.
The point was to run that and re-check the CPU frequencies to see whether they scale up as expected or are stuck in the low frequency.

Before somebody gets mean to a kid:
How old are you? (bracket is enough, <14, 14-20 or older)

vero2513 · 2021-02-14 08:49:41

seth wrote:

It's a stress test. All it does is bang your CPU - *hard* - while it's running.
The point was to run that and re-check the CPU frequencies to see whether they scale up as expected or are stuck in the low frequency.
Before somebody gets mean to a kid:
How old are you? (bracket is enough, <14, 14-20 or older)

I'm 25.

Stefan_xyz · 2021-02-14 13:53:06

vero2513 wrote:

Hi I'm new, I wrote in this section because I coudn't write on System Administration section.
As said in the title Windows 10 boots faster, almost 6 seconds but Arch takes around 1 minute and sometimes even more.
I don't like Windows, every time I installed it in 3-4 days I would have switched to Arch again.
I tried to follow many guides posted in here but non one of them worked for me (I tried to install rng-tools, haveged, e4rat, tried to change kernel parameters and also tried to enable early kms).
I have an Elitebook 2570p, Intel Core i5-3350M CPU @2.70GHZ, 8GB Ram and 300GB HDD.

Did you make sure that no processes slow it down?
Like waiting for an DHCP process to end?

seth · 2021-02-14 14:14:54

He posted a couple of journals, there's no obvious stall in anything, the system is just generally slow-ish and we're waiting for an analysis on the cpu and the hdd.

euromatlox · 2021-02-14 17:51:28

In youtube there's a video of HP Elitebook 2570p BIOS menus.
Well known that in a computer some BIOS settings might cause problems.
I'm not expert on these, but Fastboot caught my eye.

vero2513 · 2021-02-14 19:30:16

seth wrote:

He posted a couple of journals, there's no obvious stall in anything, the system is just generally slow-ish and we're waiting for an analysis on the cpu and the hdd.

I'm a girl..by the way it's a problem of hdd..I did a fresh install of archlinux and tried to load the firmware directly with efistub and I also created a startup configuration file because when I first installed archlinux with uefi I lost all the configuration and it wouldn't load the system. By the way I had problem with the installation and set the system in legacy mode and I installed archlinux with bios..now it loads a bit faster (I've installed lxde).

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vero2513 · 2021-02-14 19:32:08

euromatlox wrote:

In youtube there's a video of HP Elitebook 2570p BIOS menus.
Well known that in a computer some BIOS settings might cause problems.
I'm not expert on these, but Fastboot caught my eye.

Yes if set to legacy but it was set to uefi

vero2513 · 2021-02-14 19:33:02

Anyway I'll replace the hdd with a ssd as soon as possible.

seth · 2021-02-14 20:33:14

Sorry, probalistic gender assumption ;-)

Can you post an updated journal for comparism?

If you have measured the disk performance before the re-installation you could compare it to the current performance.
Also if you happen to have some old "fdisk -l", running an MBR partition in UEFI mode could explain the slowdown.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pa … PT_and_MBR
Maybe you also do recall what you did, but the legacy mode usually requires an MBR (so if you didn't repartition and still can boot)

vero2513 · 2021-02-14 20:50:56

seth wrote:

Sorry, probalistic gender assumption ;-)
Can you post an updated journal for comparism?
If you have measured the disk performance before the re-installation you could compare it to the current performance.
Also if you happen to have some old "fdisk -l", running an MBR partition in UEFI mode could explain the slowdown.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pa … PT_and_MBR
Maybe you also do recall what you did, but the legacy mode usually requires an MBR (so if you didn't repartition and still can boot)

This is the updated jorunal:
http://ix.io/2Prv
When I first installed UEFI I partitioned the disk and I set it to gpt.
Now I've installed the system to a dos partition.

This is hdd performance:

[veronica@Arch-Linux ~]$ dd if=/dev/zero of=tempfile bs=1M count=1024 conv=fdatasync,notrunc status=progress1024+0 record dentro
1024+0 record fuori                                                                                                                    
1073741824 bytes (1,1 GB, 1,0 GiB) copied, 11,0189 s, 97,4 MB/s                                                                                                                                                                                      
[root@Arch-Linux veronica]# echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches                                                                          
[root@Arch-Linux veronica]# dd if=tempfile of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1024 status=progress                                               
1005584384 bytes (1,0 GB, 959 MiB) copied, 9 s, 112 MB/s                                                                               
1024+0 record dentro                                                                                                                   
1024+0 record fuori                                                                                                                    
1073741824 bytes (1,1 GB, 1,0 GiB) copied, 9,96106 s, 108 MB/s                                                                         
[root@Arch-Linux veronica]# dd if=tempfile of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1024 status=progress                                               
1024+0 record dentro                                                                                                                   
1024+0 record fuori
1073741824 bytes (1,1 GB, 1,0 GiB) copied, 0,168874 s, 6,4 GB/s

I don't have the test of the earlier system

seth · 2021-02-14 21:18:44

The journal however shows a significantly faster boot process, ~3 seconds to the swap activation and ~4 until the multi-user.target is reached.
Unfortunately, w/o access to the previous installation, we'll not be able to figure what exactly caused the slow disk behavior (nor it's prevalence)

vero2513 · 2021-02-14 21:25:25

seth wrote:

The journal however shows a significantly faster boot process, ~3 seconds to the swap activation and ~4 until the multi-user.target is reached.
Unfortunately, w/o access to the previous installation, we'll not be able to figure what exactly caused the slow disk behavior (nor it's prevalence)

What if it was the de? I had plasma with all kde applications (I only removed the games and the one I didn't need but I kept akonadi to use kmail, google drive and other programs)

seth · 2021-02-14 21:56:50

The desktop environment is started much later.

It likely started slower as well (because we assume your HDD moved slow) but looking at http://ix.io/2PiK the boot begins at 17:57:26 and the multi-user.target is reached at 17:57:40
That's ~14 seconds *before* any considerations of a graphics server or desktop environment.

vero2513 · 2021-02-16 07:01:11

seth wrote:

The desktop environment is started much later.
It likely started slower as well (because we assume your HDD moved slow) but looking at http://ix.io/2PiK the boot begins at 17:57:26 and the multi-user.target is reached at 17:57:40
That's ~14 seconds *before* any considerations of a graphics server or desktop environment.

Ok thanks..then I'll close the topic..should I just put "Closed" to the title?

loqs · 2021-02-16 07:03:52

Closed is used by moderators to mark locked threads. You can use [SOLVED] if you are finished with the issue.

vero2513 · 2021-02-16 07:04:29

loqs wrote:

Closed is used by moderators to mark locked threads. You can use [SOLVED] if you are finished with the issue.

Ok thanks

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