Installing EOL kernels

I hate arch elitists · 2021-06-25 13:12:59

Can I install EOL kernels such as 5.8 or 5.9? kernels above 5.9 break my audio, I tried a lot of things, I think 5.10 dropped support for my motherboard.

loqs · 2021-06-25 13:21:55

Do you mean install an older version of the linux or linux-lts package or building the kernel locally? Do you need any out of tree modules? Have you considered linux-lts54?

What is the motherboard and audio module you are having issues with?

I hate arch elitists · 2021-06-25 13:27:09

loqs wrote:

Do you mean install an older version of the linux or linux-lts package or building the kernel locally? Do you need any out of tree modules? Have you considered linux-lts54?
What is the motherboard and audio module you are having issues with?

Not sure what a audio module is, i have a g-41m vs3 motherboard from ASRock and i use the onboard audio output, i put a jack cable from my monitor to my output jack port and i have audio. Yes i want to install linux59 and linux58 as backup kernels, I am running linux-lts54. Also i don't need any of the tree modules.

Last edited by I hate arch elitists (2021-06-25 13:27:24)

seth · 2021-06-25 13:30:55

Not sure what a audio module is

lspci -k

loqs wrote:

Do you need any out of tree modules?

guy who hates most board members wrote:

Also i don't need any of the tree modules.

Do you actually know what loqs is talking about?

I hate arch elitists · 2021-06-25 13:32:29

loqs wrote:

Do you mean install an older version of the linux or linux-lts package or building the kernel locally? Do you need any out of tree modules? Have you considered linux-lts54?
What is the motherboard and audio module you are having issues with?

if you mean what sound server i use, it is pipewire, i tried pulseaudio but i had the same results.

I hate arch elitists · 2021-06-25 13:39:08

seth wrote:

Not sure what a audio module is
lspci -k
loqs wrote:
Do you need any out of tree modules?
guy who hates most board members wrote:
Also i don't need any of the tree modules.
Do you actually know what loqs is talking about?

i don't

seth · 2021-06-25 13:41:02

Post the lspci output.
Out of tree modules are kernel modules that are not distributed along the kernel, most prominently the nvidia blob, but also virtualbox, a bunch of wifi drivers…

Edit: also don't make definite statements if you don't actually know what you're saying. You make things harder for everyone.

Last edited by seth (2021-06-25 13:41:42)

I hate arch elitists · 2021-06-25 13:43:21

seth wrote:

Post the lspci output.
Out of tree modules are kernel modules that are not distributed along the kernel, most prominently the nvidia blob, but also virtualbox, a bunch of wifi drivers…
alright
Edit: also don't make definite statements if you don't actually know what you're saying. You make things harder for everyone.

I said it straight forward that I want to install a EOL kernel, specifically 5.9 and 5.8, I don't think I said wrong.

seth · 2021-06-25 13:48:09

This is not about your initial question.
loqs asked you about a relevant prerequisite and you responded with a definitive statement and then admitted that you actually don't understand what you claimed.

This is predictably going nowhere…

seth wrote:

Post the lspci output.

seth previsouly wrote:

lspci -k

Alad · 2021-06-25 14:01:50

Nice nick.

As to the original question: you can install pretty much anything >=4.4. Lower than that and missing syscalls will break glibc and other things.

seth · 2021-06-25 14:20:40

There're actually more traps w/ even more recent kernels.
Notably reg. zstd for the initramfs and w/ nvidia/nvidia-utils you'd probably run into the glibc break if you'd only downgrade kernel, module and utils from the ALA. (Should™ not be an issue w/ 5.9 directly, though. "iirc")

V1del · 2021-06-25 14:39:29

It's also not sufficiently clear to me in what way "broke my audio" manifests itself. There's a lot that would have to happen before a working audio codec is dropped for "no reason" and it might be more fruitful to formulate an actual bug report if that is indeed the case, instead of installing outdated and unmaintained kernels.

What I am suspecting is happening is that 5.10 mislabels their chipset and tries to load sof modules, which would be a

options snd-intel-dspcfg dsp_driver=1

in /etc/modprobe.d/ away to fix.

Last edited by V1del (2021-06-25 14:40:58)

progandy · 2021-06-25 18:01:52

By the way, when I searched for the audio issues with 5.10 and that mainboard I found this: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/sound-probl … 9/71373/39

I hate arch elitists · 2021-06-26 19:34:19

Hello, I want to downgrade the core package "Linux" from version 5.12 to 5.4, could anyone help me? The 5.12 kernel doesn't support my hardware

CarbonChauvinist · 2021-06-26 19:43:57

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive

I hate arch elitists · 2021-06-26 19:46:13

V1del wrote:

It's also not sufficiently clear to me in what way "broke my audio" manifests itself. There's a lot that would have to happen before a working audio codec is dropped for "no reason" and it might be more fruitful to formulate an actual bug report if that is indeed the case, instead of installing outdated and unmaintained kernels.
What I am suspecting is happening is that 5.10 mislabels their chipset and tries to load sof modules, which would be a
options snd-intel-dspcfg dsp_driver=1
in /etc/modprobe.d/ away to fix.

that directory is empty for me

Scimmia · 2021-06-26 19:47:16

if you want 5.4, you're better off using linux-lts54 from the AUR instead of using an obsolete binary kernel.

I hate arch elitists · 2021-06-26 19:47:54

seth wrote:

This is not about your initial question.
loqs asked you about a relevant prerequisite and you responded with a definitive statement and then admitted that you actually don't understand what you claimed.
This is predictably going nowhere…
seth wrote:
Post the lspci output.
seth previsouly wrote:
lspci -k

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset DRAM Controller (rev 03)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 2e30
Kernel modules: intel_agp
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 0397
Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 2 (rev 01)
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 27c8
Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 27c9
Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 27ca
Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1d.3 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 01)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 27cb
Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 27cc
Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev e1)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR (ICH7 Family) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 27b8
Kernel driver in use: lpc_ich
Kernel modules: intel_rng, lpc_ich, leds_ss4200
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 01)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 27df
Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
Kernel modules: ata_piix, pata_acpi, ata_generic
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family SATA Controller [IDE mode] (rev 01)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 27c0
Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
Kernel modules: ata_piix, pata_acpi, ata_generic
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family SMBus Controller (rev 01)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 27da
Kernel driver in use: i801_smbus
Kernel modules: i2c_i801
01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet (rev c1)
Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 2062
Kernel driver in use: atl1c
Kernel modules: atl1c
03:02.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169/8110 Family PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC
Kernel driver in use: r8169
Kernel modules: r8169
04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland PRO [Radeon R7 240/340]
Subsystem: PC Partner Limited / Sapphire Technology Device e266
Kernel driver in use: radeon
Kernel modules: radeon, amdgpu
04:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland/Hainan/Cape Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7000 Series]
Subsystem: PC Partner Limited / Sapphire Technology Device aab0
Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel

progandy · 2021-06-26 19:48:35

According to your other thread you are already using the AUR package linux-lts54. That is the proper way to run an older kernel. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=267483

If that package did not exist or you do not trust it, then you use the old linux 5.4 PKGBUILD as a base, rename it and update it.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel#Compilation

Edit: Of course you can also download the old package from the arch linux archive, but that may break and it is not a good idea to run outdated kernels without any updates.

Last edited by progandy (2021-06-26 19:56:12)

seth · 2021-06-26 19:51:35

that directory is empty for me

You're supposed to add that config.

Also please use code tags for file contenst and shell I/O

Edit: though since you've two audio devices and in case using the dsp drvier doesn't work you'd have to be a *bit* more specific reg. your sound issues which to solve is a much saner pursuit than trying to figure how to maintain a dated kernel.
Notably in the rather incredibly likely case that you're the same person as in the manjaro thread linked by progandy…

Last edited by seth (2021-06-26 20:06:02)

ewaller · 2021-06-26 20:22:23

Moderator Note: Merged Hate's two threads about ancient kernels to keep it all in one place.

I hate arch elitists · 2021-06-27 06:52:22

seth wrote:

that directory is empty for me
You're supposed to add that config.
Also please use code tags for file contenst and shell I/O
Edit: though since you've two audio devices and in case using the dsp drvier doesn't work you'd have to be a *bit* more specific reg. your sound issues which to solve is a much saner pursuit than trying to figure how to maintain a dated kernel.
Notably in the rather incredibly likely case that you're the same person as in the manjaro thread linked by progandy…

that 2nd audio device is my gpu integrated sound or sum. I never used it.

jasonwryan · 2021-06-27 06:54:42

Post, to a pastebin, your dmesg from a clean boot.

I hate arch elitists · 2021-06-28 09:45:26

jasonwryan wrote:

Post, to a pastebin, your dmesg from a clean boot.

How to get the dmseg? And whats a clean boot

V1del · 2021-06-28 09:47:30

Boot into the system with a "broken" kernel and the first thing you do is run sudo dmesg and post that somewhere. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_o … n_services

Last edited by V1del (2021-06-28 09:48:27)

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