How big updates are handled?

860lacov · 2021-10-03 08:30:26

I've checked Upgrading packages, but this information is not there.

As an example:
The gnome update from 39 to 40 was quite significant. A lot of changes under the hood and a lot of changes in GUI.
Is the update as simple as pacman -Syu or will it require changes in config files or something?

I'm asking because I consider Gnome installation and I don't know if all the changes in 41 will be applied to current version (40).

Lone_Wolf · 2021-10-03 11:27:50

Just check posts around the date of earlier gnome transitions and you'll see many posts about the changes, usually solved fast.

Having said that, new gnome / kde releases are first tested through unstable repositories[1] .
Next phase is testing repositories, then core/extrta/comminuty .
By that time arch devs have already put lots of time and effort into it.

[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Offici … e-unstable

Last edited by Lone_Wolf (2021-10-03 11:28:49)

dogknowsnx · 2021-10-03 12:29:56

See also:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman … nd_Pacsave

It is recommended to apply the update within a non-graphical environment (tty).

860lacov · 2021-10-03 13:57:46

Lone_Wolf wrote:

Just check posts around the date of earlier gnome transitions and you'll see many posts about the changes, usually solved fast.
Having said that, new gnome / kde releases are first tested through unstable repositories[1] .
Next phase is testing repositories, then core/extrta/comminuty .
By that time arch devs have already put lots of time and effort into it.
[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Offici … e-unstable

Maybe I wasn't clear in my post, or I just don't understand your answer.
I understand that there are phases. Currently, I'm on KDE unstable.

Let's assume that on Gnome 40 the close button is on the left side of the window, and developers decided that on Gnome 41 this button will be on the right side of the window.
If, I'll install Gnome 40 now and use my laptop as usual. And in the next week there will be an update for Gnome (in stable repos).
Update from 40 to 41.
And when I do the update. Will the close window move from the left side to the right side of the window, or will it stay on the left side because of some config files or something?

I'm, but I don't know how to describe what I mean in a better way.

dogknowsnx wrote:

See also:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman … nd_Pacsave
It is recommended to apply the update within a non-graphical environment (tty).

I use pacdiff regularly to manage my pacnew and pacsave files.

seth · 2021-10-03 14:15:32

Will the close window move from the left side to the right side of the window, or will it stay on the left side because of some config files or something?

Depends on whether there was a config key for this and whether the new gnome version still honors it.
Your users config isn't touched by udpates, but eg. gnome could check it on startup and figure that you didn't actively configure it for the new version and just wipe it - if they deem this required.
Eg. KDE has an entire infrastructure for this where applications can ship hooks that trigger required updates when KDE starts.

V1del · 2021-10-03 14:29:30

Depends on the software. If a default changes that isn't yet persisted due to you actively changing configuration then this can happen. Not sure how GNOME handles it's config, but on KDE it can indeed happen that if you haven't explicitly configured your default and hence have a relevant adjustment stored in your $HOME dir then it can happen that an updated automatically adjusts default behaviour. However this is application runtime specific that pacman/packages know nothing about. If you are interested look up the changelogs of the software you care about.

860lacov · 2021-10-03 17:41:49

So one more question

I've read that

New Remote Desktop Client will be added to Gnome 41

GTK 4 has a new default GL renderer

Something like default renderer should be changed automatically, or it's on my side to change system configuration?

Last edited by 860lacov (2021-10-03 17:42:38)

progandy · 2021-10-03 17:48:00

The remote desktop client might not be installed if it is a new package that nothing depends on. In that case you'll have to reinstall the "gnome" group or just the new package you want.
The default renderer should be changed automatically if you haven't manually configured that already (Is that even possible at the moment)?

Last edited by progandy (2021-10-03 17:48:28)

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