Compiz in Unstable

Cimi · 2006-10-11 09:17:03

Since beryl project is becaming a confuse-chaotic project, where all plugins are added without a think on usability i'd like to use compiz, which from the last cvs support directly metacity themes.

Can it be packaged? (David reveneman >> Quinnstorm bugs)

brain0 · 2006-10-11 12:09:14

I am not even remotely interested in maintaining compiz for various reasons.

* Compiz is developed by Novell, I've heard much about a very non-free development model
* Compiz has a shitload of gnome dependencies, beryl is quite independant

This means I am also not interested in metacity themes. The plugin issue will be solved once the project reaches some degree of stability and beryl devs decide what to keep. Of course, there is nothing wrong with having compiz in unstable, but as you PM'ed me to get my attention to this thread, I assume you thought that I would be maintaining it. IMO, beryl has more future than compiz, so that's the way I will go.

If you find another dev to do it, then that is fine, but I don't think you will.

iphitus · 2006-10-11 13:16:30

brain0 wrote:

I am not even remotely interested in maintaining compiz for various reasons.
* Compiz is developed by Novell, I've heard much about a very non-free development model

Heard a lot of FUD. XGL was developed internally and then released as a whole, but that's how many other projects have been developed in the past, including many within the GNU project. Heck, that's how arch is developed. We do it internally and release it to the users - we dont offer discussion on changes out to them.
As for compiz, it's very open, the ML is easy to find, as is the CVS.

I may take up compiz and put it in unstable/extra depending on it's status, although I dont have any time to do this for at least a month.

James

stavrosg · 2006-10-11 14:02:15

On the gnome dependencies front, they should be dropped if you chose not to build the gconf configuration plugin and the metacity support*, but I think it wouldn't make much sence then.

* At least that's what they say in the mailing list. I couldn't find time to check it, though.
** The relevant plugins could be seperated during packaging, but that's against the arch package philosophy anyway.

Mikos · 2006-10-11 16:02:46

The liberal open community-based development model is the thing I really _LOVE_ about Beryl and this is also why I don't like Compiz (I hate "one-man-show" development). Only after Beryl came up, David Reveman (Compiz developer) really started to communicate with community more actively. He were communicative as an oyster and now he is complaining that people behind Beryl never really tried to work with him. He is serious hypocrite.

Btw. I really like features in Beryl. And I am happy that Beryl developers doesn't like "GUI fascist" development approach like GNOME developers does. Well, I am KDE user, I generally really like a lot of features and configurability. Call me feature freak if you want, I am proud of it! ;-)

EDIT: But of course Compiz can be also added to repos, there is nothing bad about it. To each his own.

deficite · 2006-10-12 13:29:25

So does Beryl work without GNOME? If so, sweet! If not.....crap.....The one thing I hated about compiz was that I hate GNOME and did not want to use it (which is why I just use basic composition provided via XFCE)

Mikos · 2006-10-12 15:12:56

deficite wrote:

So does Beryl work without GNOME? If so, sweet! If not.....crap.....The one thing I hated about compiz was that I hate GNOME and did not want to use it (which is why I just use basic composition provided via XFCE)

Yes, Beryl is completely independent of GNOME. GConf was replaced by Beryl Settings Manager and gnome-window-decorator by Emerald.

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#1 2006-10-11 09:17:03

Compiz in Unstable

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Re: Compiz in Unstable

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Re: Compiz in Unstable

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Re: Compiz in Unstable

#5 2006-10-11 16:02:46

Re: Compiz in Unstable

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