Why are Bluetooth Headphones such a problem in Arch Linux?

Bulky_Section · 2021-12-20 21:07:35

I love Arch Linux and its minimalism but Bluetooth is something I absolutely need due to I am somewhere I can not make any noise at all not to disturb anyone but not only Arch has problem with it but it also affects my Windows. I am not sure if its something to do with dualboot which I don't think so because even when I resetted my headphones which deletes all pairing saves which fixes on my Windows, the problem still existed on Arch even though I did not paired it on Windows yet. I was thinking of using Arch for every day while Windows for gaming and I am so sad that I can not. Hope this fixes soon. I read Bluetooth article from wiki lots of times but none of them fixed unfortunately.

My headphone is Sony WH-H910N

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ayr-ton · 2021-12-20 22:15:57

Well, basically you need to install/configure it yourself, Archlinux will not manage this for you, it will only provide ways for you to do it yourself. In which step are you experiencing issues? Do you have your Bluetooth keys even in both OSes?

Xyne · 2021-12-20 22:17:30

Bulky_Section wrote:

Arch has problem with it but it also affects my Windows

What problem? What doesn't work? How have you configured bluetooth? What commands have you run?

Is this in reference to this thread? If so, please read our rules about double- and cross-posting.

Bulky_Section · 2021-12-20 22:47:56

Xyne wrote:

Bulky_Section wrote:
Arch has problem with it but it also affects my Windows
What problem? What doesn't work? How have you configured bluetooth? What commands have you run?
Is this in reference to this thread? If so, please read our rules about double- and cross-posting.

No that was about connecting while this post is about having problems that affects my both OSes.

And it's nice to browse through my posts but at the very least look the date up! I posted that post more than 1 MONTH AGO! And there was NO RESPONSE. I guess there won't be any response also anymore after that.

Bulky_Section · 2021-12-20 22:53:00

ayr-ton wrote:

Well, basically you need to install/configure it yourself, Archlinux will not manage this for you, it will only provide ways for you to do it yourself. In which step are you experiencing issues? Do you have your Bluetooth keys even in both OSes?

The problem is none of the solutions I looked it up from arch wiki did not work. I obviously know it does not provide ways for me for me since I manage to install arch linux and for now everything works great except bluetooth.

The problem is after connecting my Bluetooth headphone to arch linux, not only it does not work properly on it, it also affects the performance on my Windows. I start to experience the same problem (audio stuttering and cutting out after a while) on my Windows as soon as I pair it on my Arch Linux and it isn't fixed up until I reset my Headphone and deleting all the pairing info from my Headphones.

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jasonwryan · 2021-12-20 22:59:51

Bulky_Section wrote:

I posted that post more than 1 MONTH AGO! And there was NO RESPONSE.

Trilby · 2021-12-20 23:07:37

Recap:

The title questions why bluetooth headphones are such a problem in arch linux yet the body text says the same problem is experienced in both windows and linux.

The alluded to problem is never defined nor described, but when asked about it, you actually said that the problem was that no solutions have worked. Solution to what?!

I'm not sure if in this thread you are looking for assistance or sympathy. But I can tell you that you've made one of those impossible and the other highly unlikely.

Now, I'm off to open a new thread "Why are users such a problem in arch linux?"

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Bulky_Section · 2021-12-20 23:15:11

jasonwryan wrote:

Bulky_Section wrote:
I posted that post more than 1 MONTH AGO! And there was NO RESPONSE.
https://c.tenor.com/nwoJ4BS0XHYAAAAC/oh-no-anyway.gif

Trilby wrote:

Recap:
The title questions why bluetooth headphones are such a problem in arch linux yet the body text says the same problem is experienced in both windows and linux.
The alluded to problem is never defined nor described, but when asked about it, you actually said that the problem was that no solutions have worked. Solution to what?!
I'm not sure if in this thread you are looking for assistance or sympathy. But I can tell you that you've made one of those impossible and the other highly unlikely.
Now, I'm off to open a new thread "Why are users such a problem in arch linux?"

Well thank you both of you for reminding me WHY I SHOULD NOT ASK any question to this forum. Clearly other forums are quite right about here and thanks for proving their facts. I clearly expressed my problem and clearly you don't know the answer since you just trying to aggressively attack and not even trying to be helpful. Anyway, fortunately it's not a lose to leave this forum since I could get no helpful answer for my any question at all. I couldn't even find any helpful info from here, while looking up a problem but debates like this. Well no one even seem to bother helping my posts but when it's time attack they are here like always.. and then people wonder why people think arch users are such ... Fortunately developers are not like this forum's base and all respect for them.

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Xyne · 2021-12-20 23:23:39

Bulky_Section wrote:

And it's nice to browse through my posts but at the very least look the date up! I posted that post more than 1 MONTH AGO! And there was NO RESPONSE. I guess there won't be any response also anymore after that.

There's no need for any snark. Some users repost the same issue or gripe about it when they don't get a reply as fast as they would like. The date and lack of response were part of the reason I asked.

Bulky_Section wrote:

The problem is none of the solutions I looked it up from arch wiki did not work.

And we still have no idea what "solutions" you've tried.

Bulky_Section wrote:

The problem is after connecting my Bluetooth headphone to arch linux, not only it does not work properly on it, it also affects the performance on my Windows. I start to experience the same problem (audio stuttering and cutting out after a while) on my Windows as soon as I pair it on my Arch Linux and it isn't fixed up until I reset my Headphone and deleting all the pairing info from my Headphones.

So "does not work properly" means "audio stuttering an cutting out after a while"?

If you want help, you should provide the relevant information clearly rather than force people to deduce it from tangential statements in your post. It's not even clear if your Windows is a dual-boot on the same machine or a separate machine.

If it's a separate machine then you are likely experiencing interference from the bluetooth cards (possibly due to repeated attempts to connect to a paired device). Does disabling bluetooth on Arch fix the issue on Windows?
If it's on the same machine then there is probably something wrong with your bluetooth card or headphones.

Again, if you provided relevant information rather than basically just saying "it doesn't work", someone might be able *and willing* to help you.

Bulky_Section wrote:

I clearly expressed my problem

No, you didn't. You still haven't provided any useful information about your setup and problem.

@jasonwryan & @Trilby
Speaking of snark, knock it off. Be diplomatic and just mutter under your breath like the rest of us.

Bulky_Section · 2021-12-20 23:28:14

Xyne wrote:

Bulky_Section wrote:
And it's nice to browse through my posts but at the very least look the date up! I posted that post more than 1 MONTH AGO! And there was NO RESPONSE. I guess there won't be any response also anymore after that.
There's no need for any snark. Some users repost the same issue or gripe about it when they don't get a reply as fast as they would like. The date and lack of response were part of the reason I asked.
Bulky_Section wrote:
The problem is none of the solutions I looked it up from arch wiki did not work.
And we still have no idea what "solutions" you've tried.
Bulky_Section wrote:
The problem is after connecting my Bluetooth headphone to arch linux, not only it does not work properly on it, it also affects the performance on my Windows. I start to experience the same problem (audio stuttering and cutting out after a while) on my Windows as soon as I pair it on my Arch Linux and it isn't fixed up until I reset my Headphone and deleting all the pairing info from my Headphones.
So "does not work properly" means "audio stuttering an cutting out after a while"?
If you want help, you should provide the relevant information clearly rather than force people to deduce it from tangential statements in your post. It's not even clear if your Windows is a dual-boot on the same machine or a separate machine.
If it's a separate machine then you are likely experiencing interference from the bluetooth cards (possibly due to repeated attempts to connect to a paired device). Does disabling bluetooth on Arch fix the issue on Windows?
If it's on the same machine then there is probably something wrong with your bluetooth card or headphones.
Again, if you provided relevant information rather than basically just saying "it doesn't work", someone might be able *and willing* to help you.
Bulky_Section wrote:
I clearly expressed my problem
No, you didn't. You still haven't provided any useful information about your setup and problem.
@jasonwryan & @Trilby
Speaking of snark, knock it off. Be diplomatic and just mutter under your breath like the rest of us.

I'm really sorry first of all for answering like that. Just their response made me really angry and thought you were like them. It wasn't against developers or moderators anyway. I didn't see you were a moderator. My response is just for the users like those.

My problem is after I connect Bluetooth in Gnome/Arch, audio starts to stutter then cuts out then entirely disconnect. And same problem starts to appear in Windows as well.

I tried Dual boot pairing solution (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/blueto … ot_pairing)

Audio solution both PulseAudio and Pipewire (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bluetooth#Audio)

Bad sound Static noise Muddy sound solution (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Blueto … y%22_sound)

Connecting works, but there are sound glitches all the time (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Blueto … l_the_time)

Connecting works, sound plays fine until headphones become idle, then stutters solution (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Blueto … n_stutters)

Device connects, then disconnects after a few moments solution (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Blueto … ew_moments)

Others weren't exactly my problems so I didn't try. None of them worked.

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Xyne · 2021-12-20 23:37:05

Bulky_Section wrote:

I'm really sorry first of all for answering like that. Just their response made me really angry and thought you were like them. It wasn't against developers or moderators anyway. I didn't see you were a moderator. My response is just for the users like those.
My problem is after I connect Bluetooth in Gnome/Arch, audio starts to stutter then cuts out then entirely disconnect. And same problem starts to appear in Windows as well.
I tried Dual boot pairing

I understand that you're frustrated and why you reacted to the other posts as you did. I'm trying to show you the right way to ask for help here so that you can actually get it. This is the information that would be useful for others to help you:

What desktop environment are you using (Gnome?).

How are you connecting to bluetooth? Give us specific commands? Are you running bluetoothd.service via systemctl and then connecting manually with bluetoothctl? Or are you using some thing else like an applet or a gui interface?

Are there any errors in the system logs (e.g. dmesg, journalctl)? If so, what exactly?

Is your Windows on a separate computer or the same as Arch? If it's separate, does using the command rfkill to turn off bluetooth on Arch solve the issue on Windows?

We really need to know exactly what you're doing to be able to solve this. Otherwise it's like going to a doctor and saying "I'm in pain and the medication doesn't work". When the doctor asks you where it hurts and what medication you took, you just repeat the first sentence. It's just not enough information for the doctor to diagnose the problem.

edit
I just saw your edit. That is a step in the right direction.

edit 2
Is it necessary to use the dual-boot pairing setup? Why not skip it and simply pair once with Arch and once with Windows? I don't know anything about copying bluetooth keys but it seems overly complicated just to avoid pairing twice, and maybe it's part of the problem.

edit 3
So are you using pulseaudio or pipewire?

Last edited by Xyne (2021-12-20 23:43:09)

jasonwryan · 2021-12-21 00:04:09

Xyne wrote:

[@jasonwryan & @Trilby
Speaking of snark, knock it off. Be diplomatic and just mutter under your breath like the rest of us.

I think it perfectly reasonable to call out entitled, whiny behaviour. OP already has a post on this, but rather than add some relevant debugging information to it, they open another (with a title that is pure flamebait), and then they act indignant when it is called out? I'll leave this thread alone now, but responding to childish behaviour with memes is all part of the Christmas spirit!

Xyne · 2021-12-21 00:41:28

jasonwryan wrote:

I think it perfectly reasonable to call out entitled, whiny behaviour. OP already has a post on this, but rather than add some relevant debugging information to it, they open another (with a title that is pure flamebait), and then they act indignant when it is called out? I'll leave this thread alone now, but responding to childish behaviour with memes is all part of the Christmas spirit!

I understand the sentiment and I would even agree that it is warranted, but expressing it antagonistically doesn't lead to anything productive. Impassive criticism at least has a chance of being heeded, even if it's not emotionally satisfactory..

But that's a discussion for another forum. Further posts in this thread should address OP's bluetooth issues.

Bulky_Section · 2021-12-21 01:02:31

jasonwryan wrote:

Xyne wrote:
[@jasonwryan & @Trilby
Speaking of snark, knock it off. Be diplomatic and just mutter under your breath like the rest of us.
I think it perfectly reasonable to call out entitled, whiny behaviour. OP already has a post on this, but rather than add some relevant debugging information to it, they open another (with a title that is pure flamebait), and then they act indignant when it is called out? I'll leave this thread alone now, but responding to childish behaviour with memes is all part of the Christmas spirit!

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=221443

Well looking for another problem and look what I found! This is you AGAIN and AGAIN Attacking another person...! In another post, another toxic comment.... No need to add anything further since people like you are the reason why people think Arch users are like this! Your only purpose is to attack people and damage the community...

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Bulky_Section · 2021-12-21 01:06:00

Xyne wrote:

Bulky_Section wrote:
I'm really sorry first of all for answering like that. Just their response made me really angry and thought you were like them. It wasn't against developers or moderators anyway. I didn't see you were a moderator. My response is just for the users like those.
My problem is after I connect Bluetooth in Gnome/Arch, audio starts to stutter then cuts out then entirely disconnect. And same problem starts to appear in Windows as well.
I tried Dual boot pairing
I understand that you're frustrated and why you reacted to the other posts as you did. I'm trying to show you the right way to ask for help here so that you can actually get it. This is the information that would be useful for others to help you:
What desktop environment are you using (Gnome?).
How are you connecting to bluetooth? Give us specific commands? Are you running bluetoothd.service via systemctl and then connecting manually with bluetoothctl? Or are you using some thing else like an applet or a gui interface?
Are there any errors in the system logs (e.g. dmesg, journalctl)? If so, what exactly?
Is your Windows on a separate computer or the same as Arch? If it's separate, does using the command rfkill to turn off bluetooth on Arch solve the issue on Windows?

We really need to know exactly what you're doing to be able to solve this. Otherwise it's like going to a doctor and saying "I'm in pain and the medication doesn't work". When the doctor asks you where it hurts and what medication you took, you just repeat the first sentence. It's just not enough information for the doctor to diagnose the problem.
edit
I just saw your edit. That is a step in the right direction.
edit 2
Is it necessary to use the dual-boot pairing setup? Why not skip it and simply pair once with Arch and once with Windows? I don't know anything about copying bluetooth keys but it seems overly complicated just to avoid pairing twice, and maybe it's part of the problem.
edit 3
So are you using pulseaudio or pipewire?

I'm right now using GNOME but before used KDE, Openbox and I3 also and I experienced this problem in all of them. I don't know if dualboot necessary or not. I just did it to be sure but still works the same so I believe it is not necessary. I used bluetoothctl commands before also tried to pair from GNOME Settings but they both worked exactly the same. Right now, I can not turn the bluetooth on from Gnome Settings also. It just has no response at all. I tried to use both of them separately (Pulseaudio and Pipewire) there wasn't any difference also. I'm dualbooting Arch with Windows 11 on the same laptop.

I fixed the Gnome problem. I installed linux-lts to try with that also and I believe that caused that. Because in the normal linux kernel, Bluetooth can be turned on without a problem but still the audio problems continue.

Just to be more clear about my problem.

I can connect my bluetooth. But while playing a video for instance, a momentarily sound cuts out and come back immediately. After a minute, the sound momentarily becomes muddy for a while then it fixes itself. Momentarily sound cut-outs never stop to happen.

Last edited by Bulky_Section (2021-12-21 01:26:02)

Xyne · 2021-12-21 01:31:44

Bulky_Section wrote:

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=221443
Well looking for another problem and look what I found! This is you AGAIN and AGAIN Attacking another person...! In another post, another toxic comment.... No need to add anything further since people like you are the reason why people think Arch users are like this! Your only purpose is to attack people and damage the community...

I specifically said to keep all further discussion on topic. It seems that this thread has been derailed and should be closed now.

It's unfortunate because you were actually starting to provide the required technical details. Wait a week to let things cool off and then post another thread taking into account what we discussed here. Start the thread by providing the information in the first post.

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